Mr. Eisenberg.

gun had been rechambered for a .38 Special, which is slightly smaller in one respect than the .38 S&W, but it had not been rebarreled for the .38 Special?

Mr. Cunningham.

That is correct.
The original .38 Smith and Wesson barrel is still on the weapon.

Mr. Eisenberg.

So that the .38 Special, when fired in that gun, might wobble slightly as it passes through the barrel?

Mr. Cunningham.

I don't know if wobble is the correct word. But as the bullet is passing down this shortened .38 barrel, we are probably getting an erratic passage, so the marks won't reproduce.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Is it possible to say that the bullets were not fired from this weapon, No. 143?

Mr. Cunningham.

No, it is not; since the rifling characteristics of Commission Exhibit 143--this revolver--are the same as those present on the four bullets.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, you said that there were three bullets of Winchester-Western manufacture, those are 602, 603, and 605, and one bullet of R.-P. manufacture.

Mr. Cunningham.

That is correct.

Mr. Eisenberg.

However, as to the cartridge cases, Exhibit 594, you told us there were two R.-P. cartridge cases and two Western cartridge cases.

Mr. Cunningham.

That is correct.

Mr. Eisenberg.

So that the recovered cartridge cases, there is one more recovered R.-P. cartridge case than there was recovered bullet?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And as to the bullets, there is one more recovered Winchester-Western bullet than there is Winchester-Western cartridges?

Mr. Cunningham.

That is correct.

Representative Boggs.

How would you account for that?

Mr. Cunningham.

The possibility exists that one bullet is missing. Also, they may not have found one of the cartridge cases.

Representative Boggs.

Are you able to match the bullet with the cartridge case?

Mr. Cunningham.

It is not possible.

Representative Boggs.

So that while you can establish the fact that the cartridge case, the four that we have, were fired in that gun--

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes, sir.

Representative Boggs.

You cannot establish the fact that the bullets were fired in that gun?

Mr. Cunningham.

That is correct.

Representative Boggs.

And you cannot--having the cartridge case and the bullet--you cannot match them up?

Mr. Cunningham.

No, you cannot.

Representative Boggs.

There is no way to do it?

Mr. Cunningham.

No; other than what I have said. In other words, you can tell manufacture. But there is no way of--that I know of--of connecting or identifying a particular bullet having been loaded into a particular cartridge case.

Representative Boggs.

But there is no doubt about the fact that the four cartridge cases came from firing in that weapon?

Mr. Cunningham.

They were fired in that weapon to the exclusion of all other weapons.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, when you said before that you would be missing a bullet--under the explanation you gave--would you be missing both. a bullet and a cartridge case?

Representative Boggs.

Excuse me, before you answer that question. What testimony have we developed with reference to this delay in the transmission of these bullets to either the FBI or to the Commission?

Mr. Eisenberg.

Just what you have heard. Would you like to have it developed further?

Representative Boggs.

Well, is this within his competence?

Mr. Eisenberg.

I do not think so. I can state for the record myself that about 2 weeks ago I requested--I made a request of Mr. Conrad, who is the