Mr. Eisenberg.

bullets, and three. are Remington-Peter--well, at any rate, of the 11 they are divided 3 and 8 into Remington- Peter and Western .38 Special bullets?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, Mr. Cunningham, I hand you four cartridge cases in an envelope marked Q- 74, Q-75, Q-76, and Q-77. And I ask you whether you are familiar with these cartridge cases.
Mr. Cunningham, before going on to the cartridge cases I just handed you, could you explain when you received the bullets which are comprised in the last three exhibits, and who you received them from, and how they were presented to you?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes, sir. Commission Exhibit 145 consists of the two cartridges that we received--the FBI received from the U.S. Secret Service. We received them on December 3, 1963.
That is correct. They were personally delivered to the laboratory by Special Agent Orrin Bartlett of the FBI, who is a liaison agent with the Secret Service. And he delivered them. to us on December 3, 1963.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And did he identify them in any way to you when he delivered them? Did he describe their origin to you?

Mr. Cunningham.

No, sir; he did not describe them to us.

Mr. Eisenberg.

All right. Could you go on to the next group of five cartridges?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes. I don't know the exhibit number.

Mr. Eisenberg.

That is Exhibit 592.

Mr. Cunningham.

Commission Exhibit 592 was received in the FBI Laboratory from the Dallas office of the FBI on November 30, 1963.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you tell us who you received them from?

Mr. Cunningham.

The Dallas office of the FBI. I have no first-hand knowledge. I know that they were received from the Dallas Police Department--but that was due to what I have read in an FBI investigative report. The laboratory received them from the Dallas office on November 30.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you go on to the last group of four bullets?

Mr. Cunningham.

Commission Exhibit 518 was also received from the Dallas office of the FBI on November 30, 1963.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, for the record, I would like to state that to the best of my knowledge the group of two and the group of four bullets, which together total six, were taken by the Dallas Police from the chamber of the revolver which is Exhibit 143, after the apprehension of Lee Harvey Oswald. They were then split into two groups of two and four as we have them now, two bullets being given to the Secret Service and eventually, as Mr. Cunningham relates, to the FBI, and four bullets going to the Dallas office of the FBI.
The group of five bullets was taken from a pocket of Lee Harvey Oswald, following his apprehension on November 22 and was kept separated from the remaining bullets, I believe, merely because they had been taken from a different source that is, the pocket rather than the chamber of the revolver.
Mr. Cunningham, returning to Exhibit 145, do either of the two cartridges in Exhibit 145 bear any signs of having suffered an impact from the firing pin in the revolver, Exhibit 143?

Mr. Cunningham.

An examination of these two cartridges, the primers of these two cartridges, reveals no marks that could be associated with the firing pin in Commission Exhibit 143, or any other weapon.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Are there any nicks on either of those cartridges?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes. There is a small nick, an indentation, up near the edge of the primer in the Remington-Peters .38 Special cartridge.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Could this nick have been caused by the firing pin?

Mr. Cunningham.

There was no indication, from an examination, that that nick had been so caused by a firing pin.
First of all, it is in the wrong position, it is not in the center of the primer. And, also, a microscopic examination of that nick gave no indication that it was made by a firing pin.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you microscopically examine the bases of both cartridge cases?

Mr. Cunningham.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, turning to Exhibit 518, consisting of four bullets,