Mrs. Paine.

I am absolutely clear about that.

Mr. Jenner.

You are. absolutely clear about that. All right. Now, state, you began to state the circumstances of the telephone call. Would you in your own words and your own chronology proceed with that, please?

Mrs. Paine.

Marina had said, "Let's call papa," in Russian and asked me to dial the number for her, knowing that I had a number that he had given us. I then dialed the number--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, did you dial the first or the second number?

Mrs. Paine.

The second number.

Mr. Jenner.

And that number is?

Mrs. Paine.

WH 3-8993.

Mr. Jenner.

When you dialed the number did someone answer?

Mrs. Paine.

Someone answered and I said, "Is Lee Oswald there?" And the person replied, "There is no Lee Oswald here," or something to that effect.

Mr. Jenner.

Would it refresh your recollection if he said, "There is nobody by that name here"?

Mrs. Paine.

Or it may have been "nobody by that name" or "I don't know Lee Oswald." It could have been any of these.

Mr. Jenner.

We want your best recollection.

Mrs. Paine.

My best recollection is that he repeated the name.

Mr. Jenner.

He repeated the name?

Mrs. Paine.

But that is not a certain recollection.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it then from the use of the pronoun that the person who answered was a man?

Mrs. Paine.

Was a man.

Mr. Jenner.

And if you will just sit back and relax a little. I would like to have you restate, if you now will, in your own words, what occurred? You dialed the telephone, someone answered, a male voice?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say and what did you say?

Mrs. Paine.

I said, "Is Lee Oswald there." He said, "There is no Lee Oswald living here." As best as I can recall. This is the substance of what he said. I said, "Is this a rooming house." He said "Yes." I said, "Is this WH 3-8993?" And he said "Yes." I thanked him and hung up.

Mr. Jenner.

When you hung up then what did you next do or say?

Mrs. Paine.

I said to Marina, "They don't know of a Lee Oswald at that number."

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say?

Mrs. Paine.

She didn't say anything.

Mr. Jenner.

Just said nothing?

Mrs. Paine.

She looked surprised.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she evidence any surprise?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; she did, she looked surprised.

Mr. Dulles.

You are quite sure you used the first name "Lee," did you, you did not say just "Mr. Oswald," or something of that kind?

Mrs. Paine.

I would not say "Mr. Oswald." It is contrary to Quaker practice, and I don't normally do it that way.

Mr. Jenner.

Contrary to Quaker practice?

Mrs. Paine.

They seldom use "Mister."

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Dulles.

And you wouldn't have said "Harvey Oswald," would you?

Mrs. Paine.

I knew he had a middle name but only because I filled out forms in Parkland Hospital. It was never used with him.

Mr. Jenner.

You do recall definitely that you asked for Lee Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

I cannot be that definite. But I believe I asked for him. Oh, yes; I recall definitely what I asked. I cannot be definite about the man's reply, whether he included the full name in his reply.

Mr. Jenner.

But you did?

Mrs. Paine.

I asked for the full name, "Is Lee Oswald there."

Mr. Jenner.

Did you report this incident to the FBI?

Mrs. Paine.

I had no occasion to see them, and I did not think it important enough to call them after that until the 23d of November.