Mrs. Markham.

Number two is the one I picked.

Mr. Ball.

Well, I thought you just told me that you hadn't--

Mrs. Markham.

I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing.

Mr. Ball.

No. I wanted to know if that day when you were in there if you saw anyone in there--

Mrs. Markham.

Number two.

Mr. Ball.

What did you say when you saw number two?

Mrs. Markham.

Well, let me tell you. I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one, which one. I said, number two. When I said number two, I just got weak.

Mr. Ball.

What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?

Mrs. Markham.

Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

Mr. Ball.

You recognized him from his appearance?

Mrs. Markham.

I asked--I looked at him. When I saw this man I wasn't sure, but I had cold chills just run all over me.

Mr. Ball.

When you saw him?

Mrs. Markham.

When I saw the man. But I wasn't sure, so, you see, I told them I wanted to be sure, and looked, at his face is what I was looking at, mostly is what I looked at, on account of his eyes, the way he looked at me. So I asked them if they would turn him sideways. They did, and then they turned him back around, and I said the second, and they said, which one, and I said number two. So when I said that, well, I just kind of fell over. Everybody in there, you know, was beginning to talk, and I don't know, just--

Mr. Ball.

Did you recognize him from his clothing?

Mrs. Markham.

He had on a light short jacket, dark trousers. I looked at his clothing, but I looked at his face, too.

Mr. Ball.

Did he have the same clothing on that the man had that you saw shoot the officer?

Mrs. Markham.

He had, these dark trousers on.

Mr. Ball.

Did he have a jacket or a shirt? The man that you saw shoot Officer Tippit and run away, did you notice if he had a jacket on?

Mrs. Markham.

He had a jacket on when he done it.

Mr. Ball.

What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?

Mrs. Markham.

It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell the police that?

Mrs. Markham.

Yes, I did.

Mr. Ball.

Did any man in the lineup have a jacket on?

Mrs. Markham.

I can't remember that.

Mr. Ball.

Did this number two man that you mentioned to the police have any jacket on when he was in the lineup?

Mrs. Markham.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did he have on?

Mrs. Markham.

He had on a light shirt and dark trousers.
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Mr. Ball.

Did you recognize the man from his clothing or from his face?

Mrs. Markham.

Mostly from his face.

Mr. Ball.

Were you sure it was the same man you had seen before?

Mrs. Markham.

I am sure.

Mr. Ball.

Now, what time of day was it that you saw this man in the lineup?

Mrs. Markham.

I would say it was four, a little after.

Mr. Ball.

That was four in the afternoon?

Mrs. Markham.

I was so upset I couldn't even tell you the time. In fact, I wasn't interested in the time.

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask just one question?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

You referred to his eyes; they were rather striking. Can you give any impression of how his eyes looked to you? I realize that is a very vague question.