Mr. Jarman.

the time it came down Houston until the time it started toward the freeway underpass.

Mr. Mccloy.

You saw him crumple, you saw him fall, did you?

Mr. Jarman.

I saw him lean his head.

Representative Ford.

You actually saw the car lurch forward, did you?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

That is a distinct impression?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

And you had followed it as it turned from Main on to Houston and followed it as it turned from Houston on to Elm?

Mr. Jarman.

Right, sir.

Representative Ford.

Had your eye on the car all the time?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Where did you think the sound of the first shot came from? Do you have a distinct impression of that?

Mr. Jarman.

Well, it sounded, I thought at first it had came from below. That is what I thought.

Representative Ford.

As you looked out the window and you were looking at the President's car.

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

Did you have a distinct impression as to whether the sound came from your left or from your right?

Mr. Jarman.

I am sure it came from the left.

Representative Ford.

But your first reaction, that is was from below.

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

When the second shot came, do you have any different recollection?

Mr. Jarman.

Well, they all sounded just about the same.

Representative Ford.

You distinctly recall three shots?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

And at what point did you get up from where you were on your knees in the window?

Mr. Jarman.

When the motorcar picked up speed.

Representative Ford.

Was this after what you thought was the third shot?

Mr. Jarman.

The third shot; yes.

Representative Ford.

McCloy said you had been in the army 8 years, two 4-year hitches. Was there any doubt in your mind that this was a gunshot, either one of the three?

Mr. Jarman.

Not after the second shot. I didn't have any doubt in my mind then.

Representative Ford.

When did you first learn of the President's motorcade route?

Mr. Jarman.

That morning.

Representative Ford.

Friday morning, November 22d?

Mr. Jarman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

How did you find out about it?

Mr. Jarman.

The foreman of the employees on the first floor.

Representative Ford.

What is his name?

Mr. Jarman.

William Shelley was standing up talking to Mrs. Lee.

Representative Ford.

To Mrs. Lee?

Mr. Jarman.

Miss Lee, or Mrs. Lee, I think, and he was discussing to her about the President coming, asked her was she going to stand out there and see him pass.

Representative Ford.

About what time Friday morning was this?

Mr. Jarman.

I imagine it would be about--I think it was between 8:30 and 9:00. I am not sure.

Representative Ford.

You hadn't read about it in the papers the night before or that morning?

Mr. Jarman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

When did you have this conversation with Lee Oswald, where he asked you--you told him that the motorcade was coming by the School Book Depository Building?