(Testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine Resumed)
Mr. Jenner.
You have already testified about them.
Mrs. Paine.
I have met them once; yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Only on that one occasion?
Mrs. Paine.
To the best of my recollection; that is right.
Mr. Jenner.
John and Elena Hall?
Mrs. Paine.
No; I don't know them.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you ever hear them discussed by either Marina or Lee?
Mrs. Paine.
I have never at any time heard that name.
Mr. Jenner.
All right.
I think I pronounce this correctly, Tatiana Biggers?
Mrs. Paine.
I am not familiar with that name, and I never heard it.
Mr. Jenner.
Mr. Teofil Meller?
Mrs. Paine.
I am not familiar with that name.
Mr. Jenner.
Lydia Dymitruk?
Mrs. Paine.
I met a Lydia who was working as a clerk at a grocery store in Irving, and I had met Marina previously. I am not certain of her last name. I am certain that Marina told me not to learn Russian from her, it was not grammatical.
Mr. Jenner.
I see.
By the way, did Marina go out by herself occasionally and shop?
Mrs. Paine.
No.
Mr. Jenner.
Mr. and Mrs. Daniel F. Sullivan?
Mrs. Paine.
I don't know that name.
Mr. Jenner.
Mr. and Mrs. Alan A. Jackson III?
Mrs. Paine.
I don't know that name.
Mr. Jenner.
Peter Gregory?
Mrs. Paine.
I know that name; yes. That name was mentioned by, to the best of my recollection first in my presence by, Marguerite Oswald, who told us that she had just started at the police when I first met her
Mr. Jenner.
I would like that. The first time there came to your attention and your consciousness the name Peter Gregory was when Marguerite Oswald mentioned it at the police station on the 22d of November 1963, is that correct?
Mrs. Paine.
Yes; because she had just begun a course of study with him in order to try to learn the Russian language at the public library.
Mr. Jenner.
She so said?
Mrs. Paine.
She so said. I don't recall having heard the name previously.
Although I am not certain.
Mr. Jenner.
Paul Gregory.
Mrs. Paine.
I would be absolutely certain I had never heard the name from either of the Oswalds.
Mr. Jenner.
All right. Is that likewise true of Paul Gregory who is the son I may tell you of Peter Gregory?
Mrs. Paine.
I am not familiar with that name.
Mr. Jenner.
Mr. and Mrs., I know you are familiar with this name, Mr. and Mrs. Declan Ford. When did you first hear of the name of those people with respect to November 22, 1963, before or after or on that very day?
Mrs. Paine.
Mrs. Ford was mentioned to me by name by Marina in the fall of 1963 before the time of the assassination. Marina described to me a party at Mrs. Ford's home, and described the decor of the house and how much she admired Mrs. Ford's tastes, and said that Mrs. Ford had done most of the decorating herself.
Let me just say Marina also told me she had stayed at someone's home in the fall of 1962, but she did not tell me the name of Mrs. Ford in that connection.
It came up in this other connection. It is only since the assassination that I learned she had stayed briefly at Mrs. Ford's.
Mr. Jenner.
I see.
That is the extent of your information with respect to the Fords at least up to November 22?
Mrs. Paine.
Up to the time of the assassination that is the extent of it.
Mr. Jenner.
I wish to be certain of this and I don't recall whether I asked you and, therefore, I will risk repetition.
Did Marina and Lee, with you or even without you, visit any people, to your
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