Mr. Specter.

Do you have any knowledge of that wound on the front side aside from the written report of Dr. Kemp Clark?

Mr. Kellerman.

Except that in the morgue it was very visible that they had incisioned him here to insert the tracheotomy that they performed on him.

Mr. Specter.

So with the operative procedures to perform a tracheotomy, was there anything, in your view, left of the original entry?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Mr. Specter.

Entry or exit that you have described.

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

All you could see at that point was the operative procedure, the cutting of the surgeon's blade in Dallas?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is right.
Senator COOPER. You are saying this, then, that you did not see, yourself, at any time the mark of any wound in his neck front?

Mr. Kellerman.

When we took him into the hospital in Dallas; that is right.
Senator COOPER. What?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is right; when we took him in the hospital in Dallas, I did not.
Senator COOPER. Did you ever see it?

Mr. Kellerman.

Only after he was opened up in the morgue; yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. You saw some indication or some mark of a wound in the front of his neck?

Mr. Kellerman.

Senator, from the report of the doctor who worked on him in Dallas, that he enlarged the incision here in his throat to perform that tracheotomy, and I believe in his own statement that that wound was there prior to this incision.
Senator COOPER. I know, but I am asking--

Mr. Kellerman.

I didn't see it, sir.
Senator COOPER. What you saw yourself?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; I didn't.

Representative Ford.

Was that because Hill had thrown his coat over the President, or just didn't see the skin or the body at the time?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir. When I--that coat was thrown over, sir, to eliminate any gruesome pictures.

Representative Ford.

How far over that body? Did it go over the head only or down the chest?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; the whole coat went all the way down to the waistline, sir.

Mr. Specter.

You saw the President's face, though, at a later time as you have described?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, thank you. This I had lost track of, to help you out, Mr. Congressman. While he lay on the stretcher in that emergency room his collar and everything is up and I saw nothing in his face to indicate an injury, whether the shot had come through or not. He was clear.

Representative Ford.

But while he was on the stretcher in the emergency room you saw his face?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is right.

Representative Ford.

But he had his tie and his collar still.--

Mr. Kellerman.

Still on.

Representative Ford.

Still on?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

You never saw his neck?

Mr. Kellerman.

No, sir.

Representative Ford.

At that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

At that time, I did not observe him.

Representative Ford.

The only time you saw him was later at the morgue?

Mr. Kellerman.

Very much, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Did you observe any blood on the portion of his body in the neck area or anyplace in the front of his body?

Mr. Kellerman.

I don't recall any.