Mr. Kellerman.

The next Car is the lead car. That car on that day was driven by Chief Curry of the Dallas Police Department.
His occupants in that car was Special Agent Winston Lawson, who was carrying a portable radio with him. Also in this car was Special Agent in Charge Verne Sorrels, in charge of our Dallas office. The other occupant, I believe, was a deputy sheriff.

Mr. Specter.

Was it Sheriff Decker, perhaps, of Dallas County?

Mr. Kellerman.

The name doesn't reach me, sir; I am sorry.

Mr. Specter.

You described a radio. Will you tell us a little more fully what radio transmission there was in the motorcade, please?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir. This lead car which Mr. Lawson was in has a portable. radio. The President's car is next. This is equipped with a permanent set radio on the same frequency as that gentleman up front. The next car is our Secret Service followup car which has a permanent installation. The Secret Service car, as I say, is equipped with a permanent installation which connects the President's car and the lead car. The next car in back of our Secret Service car was the then Vice President Johnson. The Secret Service agent in that car had a portable radio that he could read all three of us ahead. His car following was a small Secret Service followup car, and they, too, had a portable set, which could read all four.
So we had a net of five on our own frequency. In the police cars they had their own city police frequency radios.

Mr. Specter.

How many frequencies were used by your own network?

Mr. Kellerman.

One.

Representative Ford.

Do you have an alternative frequency, emergency frequency?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir; we do. We have two of them.

Mr. Specter.

What automobile came behind the lead automobile?

Mr. Kellerman.

The President's car.

Mr. Specter.

Describe the occupants of that car, indicating their positions, if you can, please.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes. The President--President Kennedy sat on the right rear seat. Next to him on the left seat was Mrs. Kennedy. On the right jump seat in front of President Kennedy was Governor Connally. On the left jump seat in front of Mrs. Kennedy was Mrs. Connally. I sat on the right passenger seat of the driver's seat, and Special Agent William Greer drove the vehicle.

Mr. Specter.

How far were you behind the lead car?

Mr. Kellerman.

No more than two or three car lengths.
Senator COOPER. What is that? I didn't hear it.

Mr. Kellerman.

No more than two or three car lengths, Senator Cooper.

Mr. Specter.

What car immediately followed the President's car?

Mr. Kellerman.

Our own Secret Service followup car.

Mr. Specter.

What kind of a car was that?

Mr. Kellerman.

This is a 1956 Cadillac, four-door touring car with the top down.

Mr. Specter.

Was that also a special automobile flown in?

Mr. Kellerman.

This is a special automobile, flown in with the President's car; yes, sir; that is correct.

Mr. Specter.

And who were the occupants of that car, indicating their positions in the car?

Mr. Kellerman.

All during this ride in from Love Field Special Agent Sam Kinney was the driver of this automobile. The assistant to the Special Agent in Charge Emory Roberts was sitting in the front seat, the passenger side. This car has running boards. Standing on the front of the left running board was Special Agent Clinton Hill. In back of him on the rear of that same running board on that side was Special Agent William McIntyre. On the right running board standing forward was Special Agent John Ready, and standing in back of him on the rear of the right running board was Special Agent Paul Landis.

Mr. Specter.

Did that automobile have jump seats?

Mr. Kellerman.

This automobile has jump seats.