Mrs. Paine.

Simply he had never learned how.

Mr. Jenner.

He said this to you?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. And I felt immediately that his job opportunities, the jobs to which he could have applied, and the jobs to which he could get himself would be greatly broadened if he were able to drive and said so.

Mr. Jenner.

You said that to him?

Mrs. Paine.

And said that to him. Then when we arrived in New Orleans he said to me by way of almost pride that he had been allowed by his uncle to drive his uncle's car.

Mr. Jenner.

That is Mr. Murret?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't know whether there was more than one.

Mr. Jenner.

But he volunteered the statement to you?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And it was something that had occurred after he had gotten to New Orleans?

Mrs. Paine.

And he was in a sense pleased to report to me that he was getting some experience driving. That his uncle had permitted him to drive the car on the street.

Mr. Jenner.

On the street?

Mrs. Paine.

On the street.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have occasion while you were in New Orleans to verify

that in any respect whatsoever?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Or have it verified to you?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

This was confined to a remark that he made to you?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right. Then when I learned in Marina's letter of August 11 that Lee was out of work, I immediately thought it would be well for him to make use of those free weekdays, not only for job hunting but for learning the skill of driving and, therefore, that paragraph--shall we read it?

Mr. Jenner.

Haven't I already read it?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I don't think so.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean from your letter?

Mrs. Paine.

Did you read that?

Mr. Jenner.

The paragraph "Lee told me that he learned a little from his uncle how to drive a car."

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you read that "It would be very useful for him to know how to drive but it is hard to find time for this when he works every day-"
Just to be certain of this, Mrs. Paine, this was a remark made to you by Lee Harvey Oswald when you brought Marina from Irving, Tex., to New Orleans, and--

Mrs. Paine.

The second week in May.

Mr. Jenner.

The second week in May of 1963. And then, according to the remark made to you by Lee Harvey Oswald that his uncle had permitted him to drive his uncle's car on the street in New Orleans?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; and he was proud of this.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he ask at that time or any time while you were in New Orleans in the spring to drive your car?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any discussion at all during--did you have the feeling that he would like to drive the car?

Mrs. Paine.

There was no discussion of it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he demonstrate to you that he could drive?

Mrs. Paine.

The. re was no discussion of it.

Mr. Jenner.

You have given us all that occurred in New Orleans by way of conversation or otherwise on the subject of Lee Harvey Oswald driving an automobile or his ability to drive?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you are telling us the whole story on this subject. So when next
Senator COOPER. May I ask this one question?