Representative Ford.

On the way down?

Mrs. Paine.

On the way down, on the road, and ate them, and then, he, one morning, started to make blackberry wine, and she bawled him out for it, what a waste of good blackberries, and she said, "What do you think you are doing? Ruining all this." And he proceeded, and argued about it, but thought he should, you know, defend himself. On this occasion she was making the attack in a sense and didn't think he should do it this way, and then, so, under fire and attack, he continued. But then the next day she observed that he had tossed it all out and lost heart after the argument, and decided it wasn't--

Mr. Dulles.

He tossed out the wine?

Mrs. Paine.

He tossed it out; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You detected, then, irritability as between them. Is that a fair statement?

Mrs. Paine.

That is accurate.

Mr. Jenner.

And anger rose to the surface pretty easily?

Mrs. Paine.

Very easily.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your impression? Of course he hadn't seen her then for a couple of weeks.

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about it--when she came in. Did they embrace?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. We arrived at his uncle's in one section of New Orleans, and had a very friendly half hour or so.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he there?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; he was there. He introduced her and little June, and played with June, on his shoulders, perhaps. At any rate, he was very glad to see the baby, and was congenial and outgoing. We talked with the relatives for a short time.
Then the uncle drove them to the apartment--I was following with my children in my car--drove to the apartment he had rented, which was in a different section of the city. And Lee showed her, of course, all the virtues of the apartment that he had rented. He was pleased that there was room enough, it was large enough that he could invite me to stay, and the children, to spend the night there. And he pointed out this little courtyard with grass, and fresh strawberries ready to pick, where June could play. And a screened porch entryway. And quite a large living room. And he was pleased with the furniture and how the landlady had said this was early New Orleans style. And Marina was definitely not as pleased as he had hoped. I think he felt--he wanted to please her. This showed in him.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us what she said. What led you to that conclusion?

Mrs. Paine.

She said it is dark, and it is not very clean. She thought the courtyard was nice, a grass spot where June could play, fenced in. But there was very little ventilation. We immediately were aware there were a lot of cockroaches.

Mr. Jenner.

Was she aware of this, and did she comment on that?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't know as anything was said. He was pretty busy explaining. He was doing his best to get rid of them. But they didn't subside. I remember noticing that he was tender and vulnerable at that point, when she arrived.

Mr. Jenner.

He was tender?

Mrs. Paine.

Hoping for--particularly vulnerable, hoping for approval from her, which she didn't give. It wasn't a terribly nice apartment. And she had been disappointed, because when we first arrived she thought that the home we were going to was the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

She thought the Murrets' home?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. So when we came up to the Murrets' home, she said, "This is lovely, how pleased I am." So that she was in--disappointed by contrast with the apartment that she really had to live in.

Representative Ford.

She expressed this?

Mrs. Paine.

She expressed her disappointment; yes; and didn't meet his hopes to be pleased with it.

Mr. Dulles.

As compared with their previous place of residence, how was the New Orleans apartment? It was bigger, I gather.