Mrs. Paine.

Probably I went again to her home.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me. Does that refresh your recollection as to anything on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

It does not?

Mrs. Paine.

1 am guessing, again, that this was the second meeting. I think I went to her home twice before I carried her from her place to my home, which was considerably more of an event, since it was 35 or 40 minutes each way, going twice in one day.

Mr. Jenner.

You say carry?

Mrs. Paine.

Carry, that is a good Texas term for driving a person in a car.
Senator COOPER. I must say there, that is an old term even in Kentucky. You take some person some place you carry them.

Mrs. Paine.

You carry them; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

It is an odd expression to me.

Mrs. Paine.

I have been in Texas longer than I think.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it then there were two occasions when you visited her.

Mrs. Paine.

I believe there were two down there, and then I asked her, went to pick her up and brought her to my home and we spent a portion of the day at my home, and I then took her back.

Mr. Jenner.

This was at your invitation?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; surely.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you by this time--let us take the March 20 affair, occasion--had you some feeling of affinity or liking for Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

As a person?

Mrs. Paine.

I did feel that she was in a difficult position from the first I met her.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, chronologically, would you in your own words, so that I don't suggest anything to you, what was the next occasion?
The next time it was under circumstances in which you went to her home in your station wagon, picked her up and brought her to your home?

Mrs. Paine.

It was probably then that she mentioned to me that Lee wanted her to go back to the Soviet Union, was asking her to go back.

Mr. Jenner.

He mentioned this subject as early as that, did he not?

Mrs. Paine.

This was still in March.

Mr. Jenner.

She did?

Mrs. Paine.

She did, yes; and said that she didn't want to go.

Mr. Jenner.

The Commission is interested in that. Would you please relate it?

Mrs. Paine.

She said she did not want to go back, that he asked her to go back, told her, perhaps, to go back.

Mr. Jenner.

State just as accurately--

Mrs. Paine.

As she described it I felt--

Mr. Jenner.

Just what she said now, please.

Mrs. Paine.

He told her he wanted to send her back with June.

Mr. Jenner.

Alone?

Mrs. Paine.

To the Soviet Union. As she described it, I judged that meant--

Mr. Jenner.

Please.

Mrs. Paine.

A divorce.

Mr. Jenner.

Instead of saying as she described it tell us what she said, if you can.

Mrs. Paine.

She said that she had written to the Soviet Embassy to ask about papers to go back, and received a reply from them saying, "Why do you want to go back?" And she said she just didn't answer that letter because she didn't want to go back, and that that was where the matter stood at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

She had not answered the letter?

Mrs. Paine.

The inquiry from the Embassy. She did not answer it.

Mr. Dulles.

Did she say whether or not she showed that answer from the Soviet Embassy to her husband?

Mrs. Paine.

No; she didn't say.

Mr. Jenner.

Did I understand you to say that Marina said to you that she thought that meant a divorce?