Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Paine, is there any other subject that we haven't covered in the testimony that you think the Commission ought to know about in connection with this assassination?

Mr. Paine.

I don't believe there is anything else that I know.

Mr. Liebeler.

I have no more questions.

The Chairman.

Do you have any questions, Mr. Dulles?

Mr. Dulles.

The only question I have in mind is as to what took place as far as Mr. Paine is concerned on the night of the assassination. Were you in the police station?

Mr. Paine.

We went down to the police and stayed there until about 8 or 9 o'clock. Then Marguerite came home with us and spent the night.

Mr. Dulles.

You didn't see Lee Harvey at that time, did you?

Mr. Paine.

They asked me and I declined to see him at that time. I changed my mind. When they immediately asked me, I declined. I did not know what he would ask me, so I did not see him.

Mr. Dulles.

You did not see him?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Dulles.

Did your wife see him?

Mr. Paine.

I think no one saw him. Marina went in the next morning hoping to see him.

Mr. Dulles.

There were no conversations that took place that evening that are pertinent to our investigation so far as you know?

Mr. Paine.

Quite soon I called the ACLU. There were reports, yes, I think at that time, that Friday night, Marguerite was saying he wasn't receiving counsel, and so I called the ACLU to see if there was anybody there checking to see if this was true, and apparently a delegation, this was Saturday morning, and apparently a delegation had been sent.

Mr. Dulles.

But to your knowledge neither you nor your wife had any conversations with Marina or Robert that would throw any light on this apparent coolness?

Mr. Paine.

Ruth apparently saw Marina this last week-end. We have some indications that people had gone between, chiefly Levine.

Mr. Dulles.

You think money considerations had anything to do with this?

Mr. Paine.

I think quite a lot--it will be borne out, between Ruth and Marina subsequently, I think they will find the difficulties. I think Thorne--

Mr. Dulles.

What I have in mind is as to whether some of these other people thought that you and Ruth might intervene in as business manager or something of that kind between them, and the monetary considerations that were coming in to Marina.

Mr. Paine.

We didn't know why. We have the feeling that Thorne was advising her not to speak to Ruth. Ruth is not interested in the money, but is interested in protecting her from the wolves, and so she thought, we both thought, there were some false stories being told to Marina in regard to Ruth.

Mr. Dulles.

That is all.

The Chairman.

Thank you very much, Mr. Paine.

Mr. Paine.

Thank you, sir.

The Chairman.

We will examine Mrs. Paine this afternoon at 2 o'clock.
(Whereupon, at 1:05 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)

Ruth Hyde Paine
Afternoon Session

Testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine

The President's Commission reconvened at 2:20 p.m.

Mr. Mccloy.

Before I ask you to be sworn, Mrs. Paine. I will give you a little general indication of what our testimony is apt to cover.
We have heard that you and your husband made the acquaintance of the Oswalds somewhere during 1963, and that Mrs. Marina Oswald lived in your home from late September 1963, I believe, to the time of the assassination.