Mr. Liebeler.

present at the right-wing rally that was held in Dallas the night before Stevenson appeared in Dallas?

Mr. Paine.

He indicated that at the ACLU meeting.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say he had met anybody there?

Mr. Paine.

Not that I recall, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he mention speaking to anyone at that meeting?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you whether or not he was at the Stevenson meeting itself?

Mr. Paine.

I guess I didn't ask him that. I remember asking myself subsequently what was the answer to that question and I couldn't answer it then and I can't answer it now.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have no recollection of his mentioning it at all?

Mr. Paine.

No, I don't remember what--I think I assumed that he had but--

Mr. Liebeler.

You assumed that he had been at the Stevenson affair?

Mr. Paine.

I think I assumed that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any basis for that assumption?

Mr. Paine.

There had been some discussion in the ACLU, some other people had gotten up and had spoken of that awful last night, I guess, this was the previous night, that awful time and I think he seemed to nod his assent. That was my--

Mr. Liebeler.

You inferred from that that he had possibly been present at the Stevenson meeting?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

There was no other basis for your assumption in that regard?

Mr. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

On the weekend of November 8, 9, and 10, do you recall when you came to your house in Irving?

Mr. Paine.

Well, I would come out regularly on Friday after cashing my cheek at the bank.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember coming on Friday evening on the 8th of November?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember any break in that habit.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall whether or not Oswald was present at your home on the Friday evening November 8, 1963?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't specifically remember that.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't remember one way or the other?

Mr. Paine.

That is right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you at the house on Saturday? November 9th?

Mr. Paine.

I was at the house probably on Saturday and certainly on Sunday. I think that weekend I remember stepping over him as he sat in front of the TV, stepping past, one of these things laying on the floor and thinking to myself for a person who has a business to do he certainly can waste the time. By business I mean some kind of activity and keeping track of right-wing causes and left-wing causes or something. I supposed that he spent his time as I would be inclined to spend more of my time if I had it, trying to sense the pulse of various groups in the Dallas area.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know what Oswald did on Saturday morning, November 9, 1963?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you know that he was taken by your wife to apply for a driver's license and take a driver's license test on that morning?

Mr. Paine.

She told me sometime subsequently that she had taken him for--wait. I remember the incident that he had arrived on a Saturday morning at the drivers' license bureau, stood in line for a long time but they cut off the line at 12 o'clock and he did not stay there long enough for him to get his driver's license student permit.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was this at this time or would that have been another time. Let me help you.

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember that.