Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know the year approximately?

Mr. Paine.

I suppose I went to work at Bell in 1958. I have been there 4 1/2 years.

Mr. Dulles.

Is this Mr. Young your stepfather?

Mr. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you worked for him immediately prior to your going to Bell Helicopter?

Mr. Paine.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Prior to working for Mr. Young, did you have any other employment?

Mr. Paine.

I think I came from the Army. Before that I worked at Bartol Research Foundation in Swarthmore.

Mr. Liebeler.

You were going to tell us what that was.

Mr. Paine.

That was mostly a job of setting up a laboratory to--was nuclear research laboratory, Van Der Graaf generators it had there.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was the nature of your work with Bartol?

Mr. Paine.

Mostly all the work in making those machines, setting those machines so they would run; making counters, coincidence counters, instrumentation to operate the machine.

Mr. Liebeler.

How long did you work for Bartol?

Mr. Paine.

That was just about a year, I believe.

Mr. Liebeler.

Prior to that did you have any other employment?

Mr. Paine.

No, that was Swarthmore.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever work for the Griswold Manufacturing Co.

Mr. Paine.

Oh, I did; yes. That was after--well, after the Army. I think it was only a few months, I don't remember when it fitted in.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was the nature of your work with that company?

Mr. Paine.

That was very boring. It was engraving precision scales.

Mr. Liebeler.

You worked in the actual engraving of the scales?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is the nature of your work with Bell Helicopter at the present time?

Mr. Paine.

I am called a research engineer. I work in a lab and design and build and test models of new concepts of helicopter configurations.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you been engaged in that type of work for Bell throughout the entire time you have been employed by them?

Mr. Paine.

I have been in the research laboratory research group that long. It has all been problems--

Mr. Dulles.

Are you a helicopter pilot by any chance yourself?

Mr. Paine.

I am an airplane pilot.

Mr. Liebeler.

But your work basically for Bell has been in the research of design and operation of helicopters?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us the circumstances under which you met your wife and subsequently married her?

Mr. Paine.

I met her at a folk dance party, folk dance meeting, and I had known her for about 2 years before we married.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you meet her approximately?

Mr. Paine.

We were married, I think, in 1958, it was the end of the year so maybe it was 1957. What was the question again?

Mr. Liebeler.

Approximately when you met her.

Mr. Paine.

Two years before that would be, 1957.

Mr. Liebeler.

1956 or 1957.

Mr. Paine.

Yes.
(At this point, Representative Ford entered the hearing room.)

Mr. Liebeler.

We understand that you are a Quaker, Mr. Paine, is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

That is not quite correct.
When I was in Philadelphia, I sang in various churches, and Ruth being a Quaker, started going to Quaker meetings. Had I remained there I would have become a Quaker. Moving to Texas there was a very small Quaker community, and I joined the Unitarian Church after a while.