Mr. Liebeler.

the Commission should know about in connection with these matters that we haven't already asked you about?

Mr. Ford.

There is nothing I can think of offhand.

Mr. Liebeler.

In our conversations yesterday you and your wife and I discussed your testimony today. Have we covered those matters here in the testimony and have there been any inconsistencies between what we discussed yesterday and what we have discussed today on the record that you can think of?

Mr. Ford.

No; I can't think of any inconsistencies. I assume we have covered everything we discussed yesterday. I can't remember everything we discussed yesterday, so I am just assuming we covered it.

Mr. Liebeler.

I have no more questions then.

The Chairman.

Have you anything further, Congressman Ford?

Representative Ford.

Mr. Ford, you drove Marina Oswald from your home to the Ray home?

Mr. Ford.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

In October or November of 1962?

Mr. Ford.

It was in November.

Representative Ford.

It was November of 1962. How long a drive is that?

Mr. Ford.

It is about 15 minutes. I guess it couldn't be over 7 or 8 miles, 6, 7, 8 miles, something like that.

Representative Ford.

Did you have any conversation with her at that time?

Mr. Ford.

No. She couldn't speak but about a half dozen words of English.

Representative Ford.

So there was no real conversation between the two of you?

Mr. Ford.

No.

Representative Ford.

That is all.

Mr. Murray.

Mr. Chief Justice, may I confer briefly with counsel?

The Chairman.

Where were you born?

Mr. Ford.

Los Angeles.

The Chairman.

Did you go to the public schools there?

Mr. Ford.

I attended both parochial and public schools in Los Angeles and Glendale.

The Chairman.

Then you went to the University of California at Los Angeles?

Mr. Ford.

Right.

The Chairman.

Where did you go after that. You were in the service, did you say?

Mr. Ford.

I was in the service. After I got out of the service I went back to UCLA and finished my education and then went to work in the oil industry first in Bakersfield and in Los Angeles, Ventura, and then went to work for DeGollyer and McNaughton overseas.

The Chairman.

I see.

Representative Ford.

How old are you, Mr. Ford?

Mr. Ford.

Forty-one.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Ford, were you at any time present in Mr. McKenzie's office, William McKenzie, when there was a discussion with Marina Oswald concerning guns and the gun that was used to or presumably used to attack Walker and the gun that was subsequently presumably used to attack the President?

Mr. Ford.

I don't remember any discussion. I have been in his office several times when he was discussing things with Marina, but I don't remember him ever asking about this gun or discussing this gun.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you hear McKenzie at anytime advise Marina if she were asked about these guns she should say there was only one gun?

Mr. Ford.

I think I did hear him say that once or something to that effect but I don't remember specifically the words.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you recall--

Mr. Ford.

But I don't think it was any discussion about the gun used in shooting General Walker.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about it.

Mr. Ford.

As nearly as I can remember it, the whole discussion was, he was telling her, he had asked her if there was anything else but this one rifle and