Mr. Ford.

much English but I would ask my wife, and my wife would tell me what she bad said.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember whether there was any discussion about Marina's testimony before this Commission, either before she went to Washington or after she came back?

Mr. Ford.

No; not--my wife never told me before she came to Washington to testify before the Commission. After she came back, I did overhear some conversation between Marina, my wife, and Mr. William M. McKenzie regarding the testimony given to the Commission.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us what that was to the best of your recollection? Let me ask you this: Where did this occur?

Mr. Ford.

I think it was in Mr. McKenzie's office, it may have been either in his office or my home but I think it was in his office, and I believe the FBI had been questioning her this afternoon, I am not sure of the date, and I came back later to pick up my wife and Marina and in my presence Mr. McKenzie asked my wife to ask Marina in Russian if she had told the Commission this Nixon story. I don't know the details of the story, but something regarding the threat to Mr. Nixon.
And I think Marina, again through my wife, told Mr. McKenzie that she had not mentioned this to the Commission. But that she had mentioned it to the FBI, and she had mentioned it, I believe to the FBI prior to the Commission hearing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who told you that?

Mr. Ford.

Well, I was standing there while Mr. McKenzie was talking to Marina using my wife as a translator.

Representative Ford.

Was this in your home, did you say?

Mr. Ford.

I think it was in Mr. McKenzie's office; it might have been in my home. Several times I have overheard conversation either in Mr. McKenzie's office or at my home.

Representative Ford.

It could have been in either?

Mr. Ford.

It could have been either, but it seems to me it was at his office. I think as Marina said, she had not said anything to the Commission about this, and then I think Mr. McKenzie asked her why not, and she said well she hadn't thought of it or nobody asked her; something to that effect. I think he was trying to establish whether or not she had purposely withheld information from the Commission and she said no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever hear Marina Oswald make any remark to the effect when she was before the Commission she just answered questions and did not volunteer anything?

Mr. Ford.

I never heard her say that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did anybody ever translate that, a remark like that, so that you heard it when it was translated?

Mr. Ford.

No; I never heard anybody translate for Marina and say that; no. In my presence, I never heard her say that and have it translated by anybody.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever hear from anybody else that she had said that?

Mr. Ford.

Not until yesterday when I was talking about it with you, that I can remember anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

And yesterday when we talked about it, I asked you the question, had anybody said that, isn't that right?

Mr. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you obtain any information concerning the Nixon, any detailed information concerning the Nixon affair as a result of detailed conversations with your wife after she had had conversations with Marina? I am assuming Marina would speak in Russian to your wife. Did your wife ever tell you what Marina had ever said to her about the Nixon affair?

Mr. Ford.

A little bit, not all the details. But something to the effect that Lee Oswald was threatening, I don't know whether to shoot Nixon, and in some way she had locked him in a bathroom and kept him there, I think all day. He had calmed down or cooled off and wasn't going to do anything. Just how she managed to do this, I don't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss the question with your wife as to how?