Mr. Ford.

as a person. He was kind of closed up within himself. And it seemed to me he preferred to speak in Russian rather than in English. He wanted to practice speaking Russian with the Russian speaking people rather than talking to me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Mrs. Oswald have any bruises on her at that time?

Mr. Ford.

Yes, she did. On her face.

Mr. Liebeler.

On her face. Was there any conversation about that?

Mr. Ford.

Not directly with me. My wife told me that Mrs. Oswald told her it was due to some accident of running into a door at nighttime while she was getting up to see what--the baby crying, something like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you accept that explanation?

Mr. Ford.

I didn't--well, really, I didn't accept it. It just didn't make much sense but it didn't make an impression one way or the other to me. I frankly at the time thought of a standard cartoon joke of a kid explaining his black eye, by a kid explaining he ran into a doorknob.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there anything that happened at this first luncheon that impressed you about Oswald or his attitude, in any way that you think the Commission should know about?

Mr. Ford.

Very little. Except he seemed reserved, and I would call excessively polite, and the fact I don't think he made any effort to make friends with the other people.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was the next time that you had any contact with Oswald?

Mr. Ford.

The next time I saw him was the night I drove Marina from our house to another friend's house, Mr. Frank Ray's house. She had been staying at our house for about a week and she had been separated from him.
I had been out of town and when I came home she was invited to stay over at Mr. Ray's house and I took her over there, I think it was on a Friday evening.
Lee Oswald called and wanted to talk to Marina and wanted then to come out and see her. Mr. Ray told him if he would get on the bus and come to the bus stop nearest their home that he would pick him up, and I went with Mr. Ray to pick up Lee Oswald at the bus stop.
We went back to Mr. Ray's home, and had a short conversation with Lee Oswald but he said he wanted to talk to Marina, and he and Marina went into another room. I don't know exactly how long it was but we sat down and had one or two drinks, and then Lee came back in and said he and his wife were going to have a reconciliation and she wanted to go home with him that evening. Mr. Ray offered to drive them back to their place in Oak Cliff, and then I went home.

Mr. Liebeler.

You were out of town throughout the entire time that Marina stayed with your wife?

Mr. Ford.

Except for the last night. She stayed there one more night after I came home.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form any impression on Oswald that evening different from the one that you originally had of him?

Mr. Ford.

Only it confirmed my original thought. I remember one instance. Frank asked him where he was working and he would never identify the place he was working. He would hedge, I forget his exact words but he mentioned that he was working, I think in a printing shop, either printing or photographic developing shop, and Mr. Ray asked him the name of the place, I think, twice, and he avoided answering. He would just start talking about something completely different.
In other words, when he didn't want to answer a question he would either change the subject or just start talking to somebody else.

Mr. Liebeler.

You had no independent knowledge of where he was working at that time?

Mr. Ford.

I didn't know the name. I had heard he was employed in this shop that I think was a printing and photographic developing shop.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't have anything to do with his getting that job?

Mr. Ford.

No, I didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know whether your friend did?

Mr. Ford.

I am not sure. I think either George Bouhe or maybe Theo