Mrs. Ford.

Yes.

The Chairman.

How did you acquire it, by marriage to your first soldier husband?

Mrs. Ford.

No. I had to apply for it.

The Chairman.

Where were you naturalized?

Mrs. Ford.

In Dallas, Tex.

The Chairman.

In the Federal court?

Mrs. Ford.

That is correct.

The Chairman.

When was that about?

Mrs. Ford.

I have it on my bracelet, so I will give you the correct time, I got it in 1952.

The Chairman.

In 1952?

Mrs. Ford.

This I got on "This is Your Life". I was on "This is Your Life".

Representative Ford.

Mr. Chairman, I have one or two more questions.

The Chairman.

Go right ahead.

Representative Ford.

I wish you could clarify, if you can, the comment you made about Marina mentioning two guns.

Mrs. Ford.

She did not mention two guns ever to me or anything like that. But I don't know how or why he advised her to say that at all, I don't know, it was not clear to me.

Representative Ford.

When you say he, was that Mr. McKenzie?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right, because the only reason--the only thing I remember about Marina was saying that Lee had laughed about the attempt to kill General Walker, that he said that they were even too stupid to find out what gun was used to kill him because it was written up a different type of gun was used other than the one really used by Lee.

Representative Ford.

Marina said that?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right. Lee had commented on that they were not even smart enough to identify the gun by a bullet.

Representative Ford.

When did Marina say Lee said that?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, soon after he--maybe that evening or the next day but I mean after he had attempted to shoot the General.

Representative Ford.

After he had attempted to shoot General Walker?

Mrs. Ford.

That is right. And the bullet was found in the room and I suppose by the bullet they had tried to identify the gun or whatever he used to shoot him and it was identified wrong.
It was not, I don't know what kind of gun he used, frankly, I don't know, but he said, he just made a comment, they weren't even smart enough to identify the gun by the bullet.

Representative Ford.

Lee said that to Marina?

Mrs. Ford.

To Marina, that is right.

Representative Ford.

Right after the incident?

Mrs. Ford.

Right after the incident, that is correct.

Representative Ford.

And Marina told Mr. McKenzie that?

Mrs. Ford.

I don't know.

Representative Ford.

You don't know?

Mrs. Ford.

But I think right after that it was in the papers that a different type of gun was used, and to shoot the President was different again, there were supposedly two guns, you see, so maybe that is why he advised her, that he had only one gun. I really don't know how this came out.

The Chairman.

That is all. Thank you very much for coming, you have been very helpful.

Mrs. Ford.

I hope so. I frankly wish I had questioned her more but I didn't feel it was my duty, but I wanted to tell you what she said to me.

The Chairman.

We will take a short recess.
(Short recess.)

Declan P. Ford

Testimony of Declan P. Ford

The Chairman.

Mr. Ford, you were given a copy of this statement were you?

Mr. Ford.

Yes, sir.