Mrs. Ford.

She didn't say anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina ever say anything to you that indicated she wanted to go back to Russia?
You said before that she told Lee Oswald that if he wanted to go back to Russia he could go but she wasn't going to go.
But did she ever indicate to you at any time she wanted to go back to Russia?

Mrs. Ford.

She did not. Again the first call after the assassination she asked me, she said. "You know I have a visa, a pending visa, to go to Russia and if they will send it to me, I may have to go." I sort of answered her, I am pretty sure they wouldn't send her a visa now so she doesn't have to worry about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yesterday afternoon we discussed some of these things, did we not?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You mentioned the fact that Marina Oswald had told you that at one time she was thinking about committing suicide?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes; she mentioned that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about that.

Mrs. Ford.

She said she didn't want to have it published anywhere, she is rather ashamed of it. But there was a time after all the--I think it was before she went to New Orleans and before she lived at Paine's house, that there was a time that she didn't have any friends, all the Russian friends left her, I believe De Mohrenschildts were gone during that time, and that Lee was treating her rather badly at the time and she just felt like she had no way out.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you anything other than that? Did she tell you she actually tried to commit suicide or was it something she was thinking of?

Mrs. Ford.

She didn't tell me the particulars but somehow Lee found out what was on her mind because he had beaten her again and told her only crazy people would consider doing a thing like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

She said Lee had found out she had thought of committing suicide?

Mrs. Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she ever tell you how he found out?

Mrs. Ford.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she indicate to you in any way that she had ever tried to do this?

Mrs. Ford.

Well, she didn't tell me the particulars of it, I didn't want to, I mean I just didn't, ask her for all the details about it. But she was saying she was thinking about doing it at a certain time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, I don't want to press you too hard about it but there is quite a difference between thinking about doing it and actually doing it.

The Chairman.

She didn't hear it, she didn't hear it, did she?

Mr. Liebeler.

That is right.

The Chairman.

All right, that is enough.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you write to Marina at any time after the assassination?

Mrs. Ford.

Did I write to her?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mrs. Ford.

I sent her a Christmas card; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Any other letters?

Mrs. Ford.

No; no letters.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many times have you been interviewed by the FBI, do you remember?

Mrs. Ford.

FBI maybe twice. The first time, soon after the assassination; the same day that Lee Oswald was shot.
Actually we heard by radio, friends of ours had called us, anyone who knew Lee Oswald was supposed to come out and say it and call the FBI or the police. So we called the FBI and we said we did how and we came to the office ourselves and to talk about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you been interviewed by the Secret Service?

Mrs. Ford.

No; I don't think so.

Mr. Liebeler.

In our conversation yesterday we discussed your testimony and