Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, he said it loud enough that I guess everybody on the bus heard him when he stepped up in the bus.

Representative Ford.

In other words, that would be your best impression or best recollection that whoever said this, that the President had been shot, said it loudly enough for not only you but the other bus passengers to hear it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir. Because he stepped up in the bus and when he made the statement in other words, he said that the President had been shot, because I am pretty sure everybody--he said it to the fact. I think that everybody, there might have been some, if there was anybody in the extreme back of the bus, might not have heard it, but I think anyone who was near the front part of the bus could have.

Representative Ford.

But at that time when this man made this statement, there was a teenager sitting in the first cross seat on the right-hand side of the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

And the man who had gotten on the bus to whom you later issued the transfer, was sitting in the second?

Mr. Mcwatters.

In the second seat.

Representative Ford.

What is the distance from the door of the bus where the man was standing who made this statement to the second cross seat?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I would say, let's see, it would be I would say 6 or 8 feet.

Representative Ford.

Was he sitting alone in the second cross seat?

Mr. Mcwatters.

He was sitting alone.

Representative Ford.

Did you notice any reaction on the part of any of your passengers to this comment by this man who made this statement?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, the only reaction that I knew is when he got up and said that. well, that is when the lady got off first, which she jumped up and got her suitcase and said, in other words, made a remark to something. "I am afraid you are going to be tied up here in this traffic and I want to get off."

Representative Ford.

Where was this lady sitting who got up and asked for this transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Now, this lady was sitting behind me, in other words, I am the driver.

Representative Ford.

On the left-hand side of the bus looking forward?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; in other words, it is a cross seat. I mean a side seat, in other words, like the driver sitting here, the first seat is the one that runs parallel with the bus, in other words.

Representative Ford.

Well now, the seat in which the lady was sitting would be parallel to the second cross seat on the other side of the bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, in other words--

Representative Ford.

It would be on the same line?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

The first seat would be ahead--the first seat on the right-hand side of the bus would be ahead of the seat where the lady was sitting?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, you mean the lady, I am referring to who got off first?

Representative Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, the lady--I was sitting in the driver's seat, she was sitting right behind me, in other words, facing out his way.

Representative Ford.

But she obviously heard what the man said about the President being shot?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

There is no doubt in your mind she heard that?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I wouldn't think so because when she got up and stated she wanted to get off--

Representative Ford.

Was she any further from the man who made this statement about the President being shot than the man who was sitting in the second cross seat?

Mr. Mcwatters.

She was closer to the man actually than the man that got off with her was.

Representative Ford.

How many feet or how much difference?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, the lady in other words, from the door here, it is