Mr. Mcwatters.

and that was at the one stop of where I gave the lady and the gentleman that got off the bus, I issued two transfers. But that was the only two transfers that were issued.

Mr. Ball.

Did you tell the police in Dallas that?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I don't remember whether I did or not.

Mr. Ball.

But you do remember it now?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.
(At this point Chief Justice Warren left the hearing room.)

Mr. Ball.

All right. Now, what else did you do that day?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, let's see

Mr. Ball.

Did they show you any prisoner?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; when they stopped me over there and took me into the police department there, like I say, it was around 6:15 or 6:20, they took me down before the lineup there and asked me if I could identify anyone in that lineup as getting on my bus that day.

Mr. Ball.

Did they take you down and show you a lineup?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You sat there with police officers and they brought men in there?

Mr. Mcwatters.

They brought four men out. In other words, four men under the lights; in other words, they was all--

Mr. Ball.

All the same age?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir; they were different ages, different sizes and different heights. And they asked me if I could identify any man in particular there, and I told them that I couldn't identify any man in particular, but there was one man there that was about the size of the man. Now, I was referring back, after they done showed me this transfer at that time and I knew which trip, that I went through town on at that time, in other words, on the Lakewood trip and just like I recalled, I only put out two transfers and I told them that there was one man in the lineup was about the size and the height and complexion of a man that got on my bus, but as far as positively identifying the man I could not do it.

Mr. Ball.

What was the size and the height and complexion of the man that knocked on the window of this bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I would say, just like I told the police, to me he was just a medium-sized man. To me he was, I could say, not, I wouldn't call him--just of average weight, and I would say a light-complected, to the best of my knowledge.

Mr. Ball.

When you say "average weight" what do you mean?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I figured just like I saw, the man, he looked like to me the best way I can describe him would be 135 or 140 pounds.

Mr. Ball.

What about height?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, just like I told them, it looked like to me he would probably be five-seven or five-eight, in that vicinity.

Mr. Ball.

Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

As the passenger who had gotten on?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You said there was one man who closely resembled in height, weight and color?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who that was?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Just like I told them, I didn't know who was who or anything.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever learn who that person was?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I don't know whether that was really the man or not, I don't know.

Mr. Ball.

I see.
Now, I have a map here.
(Discussion off the record.)

Representative Ford.

All right, proceed.

Mr. Ball.

You remember you told us about the man that knocked on the window of the door of your bus just before you got to Griffin, wasn't it?