Mr. Ball.

Still on your bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I was on duty but I was on a different line and a different bus.

Mr. Ball.

What did they ask you when they came out?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, they stopped me right by the city hall there when I come by there and they wanted me to come in, they wanted to ask me some questions. And I don't know what it was about or anything until I got in there and they told me what happened.

Mr. Ball.

What did they tell you?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, they told me that they had a transfer that I had issued that was cut for Lamar Street at 1 o'clock, and they wanted to know if I knew anything about it. And I, after I looked at the transfer and my punch, said yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on it.

Mr. Ball.

Did your punch mark have a distinctive mark?

Mr. Mcwatters.

It had a distinctive mark and it is registered, in other words, all the drivers, every driver has a different punch mark.

Mr. Ball.

What makes it different?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, it is, it would be, the symbol of it or angle, in other words, every one; it is different, in other words.

Mr. Ball.

You have a punch there?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; I have the punch right here.

Mr. Ball.

Is that the punch that you used?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is the punch I used.

Mr. Ball.

Will you punch a piece of paper and show us?

Mr. Mcwatters.

In other words, that is the type of punch that this one makes right here, in other words.

Mr. Ball.

That is a different type of punch than any other driver has?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Any driver, in other words.

Mr. Ball.

On any bus in Dallas?

Mr. Mcwatters.

In other words, the superintendent has a list, in other words, it would be just like this and every man has a punch and he has his name, and everything. In other words, if anyone calls in about a transfer or anything, I mean brings one in he can look right down the list by the punch mark and tell whose punch it is, and who it is registered to.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the sample of your punch there has been on a piece of paper and we would like to have it marked as 372 at this time.
(The paper referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 372 and received in evidence.)

Mr. Ball.

If you punched, made a punch mark, on a transfer, did you designate the time of the punch or the place of the punch?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; I designate the time of the we have one general transfer point. In other words, Lamar Street is what we call our general transfer point in which all transfers are cut within the quarter of the hour in which you are supposed to be there.
In other words, if you was to arrive there at, say, 12:50 or in that vicinity, you always give the passenger the 15 minutes, in other words, within the hour of the transfer. In other words, is the way they have you to cut your transfers across your cutter.
In other words, it is just a little thing that you raise up and down and you can adjust them, and right here is a book of them in which you can see the time. It is one, in other words, 2:15, 3:30, and 4:45, and we set them in other words, if you wanted at 1:15, 1 o'clock would be across this direction. If you wanted it 1:15 you would cut across this direction or if you wanted it 1:45 you would cut it in this direction. In other words, 1:15, - :30 and - :45. In other words, the 15 minutes is always given at the time, at the general transfer point.

Representative Ford.

It is 10:25 now. How would you cut it right now?

Mr. Mcwatters.

At 10:25.

Representative Ford.

Why don't you cut one?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I have a regular cutter, you see; let's see if he can get something that would--in other words, 10:25, I will just cut it, in other words, cut