Mr. Ball.

So I will show you this part of this exhibit that hasn't been treated, and tell me whether or not the paper, the color of the paper that has not been treated, is or is not similar to the color of the paper on the bag you saw on the back seat of your car that morning.
(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)

Mr. Frazier.

To be frank with you, more like I say the color, the color I saw would be more like it but I imagine if this hadn't been run through that process that this color here that you unwrapped would be more closer to this. This seems to have a little bit different color to me.

Mr. Ball.

I didn't get the answer because of the let's refer to this bag, that is the colored bag.

Mr. Frazier.

Okay, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And the bag that is not colored, and the other is just a bag.

Mr. Frazier.

Okay, sir.

Mr. Ball.

We are talking about the colored bag, the one that has changed its color. There is a part of the colored bag that hasn't changed color, isn't it?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

That is the part I want to call your attention to.

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

The color of this bag, the colored bag, has not been treated. Take a look at it. Is that similar to the color of the bag you saw in the back seat of your car that morning?

Mr. Frazier.

It would be, surely it could have been, and it couldn't have been. Like I say, see, you know this color, either one of these colors, is very similar to the type of paper that you can get out of a store or anything like that, and so I say it could have been and then it couldn't have been.

Mr. Ball.

Do you mean by that that it is similar to the color?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And do you have a definite memory of the color of the bag you saw on the back seat of your car so that you can distinguish between one color and another?

Mr. Frazier.

I believe it would be more on this basis here.

Mr. Ball.

You say it would be more on the color of bag No. 364, is that right?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?

Mr. Frazier.

I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. Ball.

This is Commission Exhibit No. 142.

The Chairman.

That is the dark bag?

Mr. Ball.

The dark bag is Commission Exhibit No. 142.
When you were shown this bag, do you recall whether or not you told the officers who showed you the bag--did you tell them whether you thought it was or was not about the same length as the bag you saw on the back seat?

Mr. Frazier.

I told them that as far as the length there, I told them that was entirely too long.

Mr. Ball.

What about the width?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I say, like I say now, now I couldn't see much of the bag from him walking in front of me. Now he could have had some of it sticking out in front of his hands because I didn't see it from the front, The only time I did see it was from the back, just a little strip running down from your arm and so therefore, like that, I say, I know that the bag wouldn't be that long.
So far as being that wide like I say I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Ball.

It could have been that wide?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you said that some of the bag might have been beyond his hands, did you say?