Mr. Frazier.

Well, I stood there until the parade come by.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the President go by?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear anything?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I say, just right after he went by he hadn't hardly got by, I heard a sound and if you have ever been around motorcycles you know how they backfire, and so I thought one of them motorcycles backfired because right before his car came down, now there were several of these motorcycle policemen, and they took off down toward the underpass down there, and so I thought, you know, that one of them motorcycles backfired, but it wasn't just a few seconds that, you know, I heard two more of the same type of, you know, sounds, and by that time people was running everywhere, and falling down and screaming, and naturally then I knew something was wrong, and so I come to the conclusion somebody else, somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was him.

Mr. Ball.

You figured it was who?

Mr. Frazier.

I figured it was somebody shooting at President Kennedy because people were running and hollering so I just stood still. I have always been taught when something like that happened or anywhere as far as that it is always best to stand still because if you run that makes you look guilty sure enough.

Mr. Ball.

Now, then, did you have any impression at that time as to the direction from which the sound came?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, to be frank with you I thought it come from down there, you know, where that underpass is. There is a series, quite a few number, of them railroad tracks running together and from where I was standing it sounded like it was coming from down the railroad tracks there.

Mr. Ball.

Were you able to see the President, could you still see the President's car when you heard the first sound?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; I couldn't. From there, you know, people were standing out there on the curb, you see, and you know it drops, you know the ground drops, off there as you go down toward that underpass and I couldn't see any of it because people were standing up there in my way, but however, when he did turn that corner there, there wasn't anybody standing there in the street and you could see good there, but after you got on past down there you couldn't see anything.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't see the President's car at the time you heard the sound?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

But you stood right there, did you?

Mr. Frazier.

Right. Stood right where I was.

Mr. Ball.

And Mr. Shelley was still standing there?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And also Billy Lovelady?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

The three of you didn't go any place?

Mr. Frazier.

I believe Billy and them walked down toward that direction but I didn't. I just stood where I was. I hadn't moved at all.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anybody after that come into the Building while you were there?

Mr. Frazier.

You mean somebody other that didn't work there?

Mr. Ball.

A police officer.

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; I stood there a few minutes, you know, and some people who worked there; you know normally started to go back into the Building because a lot of us didn't eat our lunch, and so we stared back into the Building and it wasn't but just a few minutes that there were a lot of police officers and so forth all over the Building there.

Mr. Ball.

Then you went back into the Building, did you?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And before you went back into the Building no police officer came up the steps and into the building?

Mr. Frazier.

Not that I know. They could walk by the way and I was standing there talking to somebody else and didn't see it.