(Testimony of Amos Lee Euins)
Mr. Specter.
Were you there when the man talked about somebody running out the back?
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir. He said the man had--he said he had kind of bald spot on his head. And he said the man come back there.
Mr. Specter.
Do you know what the name of the man was who told the police that someone had run out the back?
Mr. Euins.
No, sir.
Mr. Specter.
What did you do next, Amos?
Mr. Euins.
So then they took me over to the county jail. And that is where I told them what happened. And then they was standing around the Book Depository Building, and I stayed over there to the jailhouse about 6 o'clock. And then they took me home.
Mr. Specter.
And did they question you about what happened and what you observed on that occasion?
Mr. Euins.
At the jailhouse?
Mr. Specter.
At the jailhouse.
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Specter.
All right.
Amos, would you tell us everything that you can remember about what you saw about the gun itself?
Mr. Euins.
Well, when I first got here on the corner, the President was coming around the bend. That is when--I was looking at the building then.
Mr. Specter.
What did you think it was when you first saw it?
Mr. Euins.
I thought it was a piece of pipe or something sticking out the window.
Mr. Specter.
Did it look like it was a piece of metal to you?
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir; just a little round piece of pipe.
Mr. Specter.
About an inch in diameter, would you say?
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Specter.
And how long was the piece of pipe that you saw?
Mr. Euins.
It was sticking out about that much.
Mr. Specter.
About 14 or 15 inches?
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir. And then after I seen it sticking out, after awhile, that is when I heard the shot, and everybody started looking around.
Mr. Specter.
At that time, Amos, did you see anything besides the end of the pipe?
Mr. Euins.
No, sir.
Mr. Specter.
For example, you didn't see anything about a stock or any other part of the rifle?
Mr. Euins.
No, sir--not with the first shot. You see, the President was still right along down in here somewhere on the first shot.
Mr. Specter.
Now, when you saw it on the first occasion, did you think it was a rifle then? Or did that thought enter your mind?
Mr. Euins.
No, sir; I wasn't thinking about it then. But when I was looking at it, when he shot, it sounded like a high-powered rifle, after I listened to it awhile, because I had been in the NDCC for about a year.
Mr. Specter.
What is NDCC?
Mr. Euins.
We call it a military army for the boys, at our school.
Mr. Specter.
Is that ROTC?
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Specter.
ROTC. And have you had any opportunity to fire a weapon in that ROTC class?
Mr. Euins.
No, sir; not outside of just .22's. We fire them on the firing range.
Mr. Specter.
All right.
Now, when you looked up at the rifle later, you described seeing some of the trigger part.
Mr. Euins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Specter.
Now, describe as fully as you can for us what you saw then, Amos.
Mr. Euins.
Well, when he stuck it out, you know--after the President had
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