Mr. Specter.

How about window "G"?

Mr. Rowland.

This again, both windows were open all of the way and I think there was one person in each window.

Mr. Specter.

Did you observe any other people either through any other window or hanging out of any other window in the building?

Mr. Rowland.

There was no one in the fourth floor to my knowledge, to my recollection.
There were what appeared to be secretaries, several young white girls or ladies, standing on the steps of the building in this general area.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating the door of the building.

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Yes.

Mr. Rowland.

And there was no one else in there, except I think there was a policeman in front of the door on the sidewalk.

Mr. Specter.

Have you described everybody you have observed, with respect to everybody hanging out the windows?

Mr. Rowland.

To the best of my recollection.

Mr. Specter.

Or anybody you could see through the windows?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

As to the window which you have marked "A", that double pair of windows, which, if either or both, was open?

Mr. Rowland.

The one on the eastern side was open and not all of the way it would open.

Mr. Specter.

Is that the one you have marked with an arrow?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

How much of that window was open?

Mr. Rowland.

It was open about that far.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating 2 1/2 feet?

Mr. Rowland.

Two feet.

Mr. Specter.

Two feet.

Mr. Rowland.

Indicating 2 feet. It looked like the windows might open 3--two-thirds or three-fourths of the distance.

Mr. Specter.

How about the other of the windows in the double-set marked "A," was that completely closed?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

How about the windows in the group marked "B," was either of those windows open?

Mr. Rowland.

They were both completely open.

Mr. Specter.

Can you describe with any more particularity the people you saw in the window which you have marked "B"?

Mr. Rowland.

There was a white man hanging out either "G" or "B," I do not remember which. He was the only white man, besides the man in these windows that I saw--

Mr. Specter.

When you said "these windows" you mean the first window you marked with a black circle and a black arrow?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Is there anything else you can tell us about the people you saw in window "B"?

Mr. Rowland.

I think to the best of my recollection there was either two or three people in window "B," and as I stated before, either "B" or "G" had a white man in the window. I do not remember which. I do remember it was one of the windows on the corner.

Mr. Specter.

Do you recollect if the other people in window "B" were white or Negro?

Mr. Rowland.

They were Negro.

Mr. Specter.

Now, did you have any occasion to look back at window "A" from the time you saw the man whom you described as a Negro gentleman in that window until the President's procession passed by?

Mr. Rowland.

Well, up until the time the procession was--
(Short recess.)

Representative Ford.

I suggest, Mr. Specter, we resume the hearing.

Mr. Specter.

Will you read the last question, Mr. Reporter, please.