Mr. Jackson.

no, sir. I have seen them, of course, several times but I have never discussed it with them.

Representative Ford.

You never discussed what you said or what they said?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir. I guess the one man I have discussed it more with than anybody else was Tom Dillard, the chief photographer for the Dallas News, and we recalled to each other the scene but we really never went into any detail or as to what each one of us said either.

Representative Ford.

At the time you were in the car, after it had turned from Main onto Houston, was there any noise from the crowd on either side of the street, Houston Street?

Mr. Jackson.

There was very little crowd on Houston, as I recall. On Houston itself. The crowd--I mean as compared to Main Street, to the other end of town and down through Main. The crowd thinned out as we got down near the intersection of Main and Houston, and there were a lot less people but I couldn't make an estimate of how many.

Representative Ford.

There was no noise from the crowd at that point?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir; no noise, I would say.

Representative Ford.

At the time you heard the first shot, what was your position in the car? Were you standing or sitting?

Mr. Jackson.

I was sitting on the back of the seat, on the right-hand side of the back seat, sitting up.

Representative Ford.

Did you have your camera in your hand?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes; I had one camera around my neck and the camera I had just emptied, it was in my lap. I had thrown my film out to this reporter over the side of the car as we rounded the corner and I still had the camera lying in my lap, and the other one was around my neck.

Representative Ford.

Was this the position you were in at the time you heard the first shot?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

After the third shot and as the car hesitated, did you see any law enforcement officials move in any concentrated or concerted direction?

Mr. Jackson.

I saw at least one, there may have been more, run up the School Depository steps, toward the door. That is one of the things I saw in this confusion.

Representative Ford.

This was separate from the policeman on the motorcycle?

Mr. Jackson.

Yes, sir. Yes. I should have said that a while ago. There was a policeman who moved toward the door of the Depository. But to my best knowledge there was no concentrated movement toward any one spot. It looked like general confusion to me, and of course, I stayed in the car. As we did turn the corner our driver speeded up and we went by the scene pretty fast and I do recall this Negro family covering up their child on the grass, and I, as we passed them, they were just getting up and he had the child in his arms and the child looked limp and I didn't know whether the child was shot or not. But then we were moving fast and went on under the underpass.

Representative Ford.

That is all, Mr. Chairman.

The Chairman.

Mr. Wright, do you have any questions?

Mr. Wright.

No, Mr. Chief Justice, I passed a question on.

Mr. Specter.

I have just one additional question, and that is whether Mr. Jackson had any occasion to see anybody leave the scene of the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. Jackson.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

That is all, Your Honor.

The Chairman.

Mr. Jackson, thank you very much for coming.

Mr. Jackson.

Thank you.

The Chairman.

We appreciate it. Who is next?

Mr. Specter.

Mr. Rowland.

The Chairman.

Would you raise your right hand and be sworn, please.
Do you solemnly swear the testimony given before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?