(Testimony of James Herbert Martin Resumed)
Representative Ford.
When you first discussed it with her, what was her attitude?
Mr. Martin.
Well, she said she thought he was crazy.
Representative Ford.
But did she indicate when you first discussed the question of guilt or not being guilty, what was her attitude?
Mr. Martin.
She thought he was guilty.
Representative Ford.
The first time you discussed the matter?
Mr. Martin.
Yes.
Representative Ford.
Did she indicate why?
Mr. Martin.
No. I asked her why, and she said it was just a feeling.
Representative Ford.
At that point had she--
Mr. Martin.
A woman's feeling.
Representative Ford.
At that point had she been given or shown the evidence that had been accumulated by various agencies of the Federal Government?
Mr. Martin.
I don't know. I assume she had through the FBI. The FBI were showing her pictures and numerous things. I was not in on any of the questioning at all.
Mr. Dulles.
Had she read the papers or had them read to her as far as you know at that period?
Mr. Martin.
Some of them, yes.
Mr. Dulles.
Newspapers I mean.
Mr. Martin.
Yes.
Representative Ford.
From that first conversation you had with her about this matter, the guilt of Lee Harvey Oswald, she has never changed her mind?
Mr. Martin.
No, and I have never heard her say anything other than he was guilty.
Representative Ford.
Did you ever discuss with Marina the conversation she had with Lee Harvey Oswald at the Dallas police station the day he was apprehended or the day following. Or at any time prior to his death?
Mr. Martin.
The only time she said anything about it was that he told her
not to worry and to make sure and get the get June a pair of shoes.
Representative Ford.
She told you that is what he said to her?
Mr. Martin.
That is what he said, yes.
Representative Ford.
There was nothing extraordinary that she told you about the conversation?
Mr. Martin.
No, sir.
Representative Ford.
Other than what you have indicated?
Mr. Martin.
Yes. He said not to worry. Everything would be all right.
Representative Ford.
Did you ever ask her about this conversation that she had with Lee Harvey Oswald while he was at the Dallas police station?
Mr. Martin.
No.
Representative Ford.
As her manager, as the manager of Marina, did you have anything to do with the change of her appearance? Many people have said to me the first picture they saw of her and the subsequent pictures they saw of her she was wearing different kind of clothes. She had a different hair-do, and so forth. Did you have anything to do with that?
Mr. Martin.
Yes.
Representative Ford.
What was the purpose of that?
Mr. Martin.
Just to change her general appearance so she wouldn't be recognized when she went out.
Representative Ford.
Did she agree to this, was she willing to do it?
Mr. Martin.
Yes. She didn't like her haircut particularly.
Representative Ford.
She liked the previous way it was?
Mr. Martin.
Yes.
Representative Ford.
How about the change in clothes, the type that she wore?
Mr. Martin.
Well, of course, that was for the better.
Representative Ford.
Did she like it?
Mr. Martin.
She liked the clothes, yes.
Representative Ford.
That is all.
Mr. Martin.
She tried makeup but that didn't work, because she couldn't stand makeup.
Mr. Redlich.
We previously asked you, Mr. Martin, about various people
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