Mr. Martin.

This gentleman called, what was his name?

Mr. Leech.

I can't remember it.

Mr. Redlich.

Would it refresh your recollection if I mentioned the name Olds?

Mr. Martin.

Yes, Greg Olds. He called on the phone and wanted to see Marina Oswald, wanted to. make sure she was being properly represented, that she knew her rights, and so on and so forth.
John Thorne talked to him, and told him that he represented Marina Oswald, and that he was definitely sure that all her rights were being observed.
Then I think there was another phone call from them still wanting to see Marina Oswald, and I talked to Marina and she said well, she would talk to him. So they arranged a meeting with a third party, I can't remember his name, who was a minister of some kind, and then Marina changed her mind and said no, she didn't want to go at all, she didn't want to talk to any of them. So then they wrote the letter. They wrote a letter to her in Russian and sent one to me in English, one to John Thorne in English, and I believe one to the Secret Service and one to the FBI.

Mr. Leech.

Do you want to mention about their press releases at this time?

Mr. Martin.

There were a number of press releases at that time also that she was being held incognito and not able to----
M. REDLICH. You mean incognito or incommunicado?

Mr. Martin.

Incommunicado.

Representative Ford.

Press releases by whom?

Mr. Martin.

The Civil Liberties Union, and so they sent this letter to her and she answered it with a two-page letter in Russian.

Representative Ford.

In Russian?

Mr. Martin.

Yes.

Mr. Redlich.

Do you have a copy of that two-page letter?

Mr. Martin.

No. he wrote it, put it in an envelope, put a stamp on it and I mailed it. I didn't open it or look in it in any way. And that seemed to be the end of it, but they still persisted they wanted to see her.

Mr. Redlich.

And the reason Marina did not see them was entirely her own volition?

Mr. Martin.

Her own.

Mr. Dulles.

She never talked to you about what was in the letter?

Mr. Martin.

No, she said she just told them she didn't want to see them.

Mr. Dulles.

In two pages?

Mr. Martin.

Yes, sir; This was quoted, a portion of the letter was quoted, in the Worker.

Representative Ford.

I suggest, Mr. Chairman, that we get, if possible, a copy of the original of that letter.

Mr. Martin.

You probably can get it from Greg Olds.

Mr. Dulles.

Would you make a note of that. I think we should do that. That was dated sometime in the middle of January?

Mr. Martin.

I believe so. The letter you have--she wadded the letter up that. was written to her in Russian and threw it away, and I got it back out, and asked her to go ahead and write them a letter so it would quiet them. So she said she would and she wrote a letter, I think, that night, so it would be within a couple of days of the date of that letter, the English copy of which you have.

Mr. Redlich.

Mr. Chairman, if you would like, we could take a 3- or 4-minute recess and I could get the American Civil Liberties Union letter to Marina Oswald and introduce it at this time for the sake of clarity in the record.

Mr. Dulles.

Good. It is a good time for a breather.
(Short recess.)

The Chairman.

All right, gentlemen, the Commission will be in order.
You are familiar with, Mr. Dulles, you are familiar with, the hearing up to date. You go right ahead and preside, if you will.

Mr. Dulles.

Mr. Redlich will you go right ahead with your questions?