Mr. Greer.

No, sir. I had not any chance to look much at that building at all. When I made the turn into Elm Street, I was watching the overpass expressway--the overpass, or what was ahead of me. I always look at any--where I go underneath anything, I always watch above, so if there is anyone up there that I can move so that I won't go over the top of anyone, if they are unidentified to me, unless it is a policeman or something like that. We try to avoid going under them.

Mr. Specter.

Now, when you turned off of Houston onto Elm, did you make a right-hand or a left-hand turn?

Mr. Greer.

I made a right-hand turn off of Main onto Houston.

Mr. Specter.

And when you turned from Houston onto Elm, was that a right-hand or a left-hand turn?

Mr. Greer.

That was a left-hand turn.

Mr. Specter.

And as you turned onto Elm Street, how far, to the best of your ability to estimate, was your automobile from the overpass which you have just described?

Mr. Greer.

I wouldn't have a distance recollection at all on how far it was. It wasn't too far. I just could not give you the distance.

Mr. Specter.

At that time, did you make a conscious effort to observe what was present, if anything, on that overpass?

Mr. Greer.

Yes, sir. I was making sure that I could not see anyone that might be standing there, and I didn't see anything that I was afraid of on the overpass.

Mr. Specter.

Did you see anything at all on the overpass?

Mr. Greer.

Not that I can now remember.

Mr. Specter.

What is your best recollection of the speed at which you were traveling as you turned left off of Houston onto Elm?

Mr. Greer.

My best recollection would be between 12 and 15 miles per hour.

Mr. Specter.

And how far were you at that time behind the police car which was in front of you?

Mr. Greer.

Probably 50 feet maybe approximately. I will say approximately 50 feet.

Mr. Specter.

As you turned onto Elm, did you have any opportunity to observe how far behind you the President's follow-up car was?

Mr. Greer.

No, sir. I was not looking in my mirror; I could not say how far it was behind me at the time.

Mr. Specter.

And what was the nature of the crowd as you made the turn onto Elm Street, if you recall?

Mr. Greer.

To the best of my memory, the crowd had thinned out a great deal, and there was not too many people in front of that building.

Mr. Specter.

How many lanes of travel were there on Elm Street?

Mr. Greer.

It was either three or four lanes wide. I have forgotten.

Mr. Specter.

In what portion of the street were you traveling?

Mr. Greer.

I was right in the center of the street.

Mr. Specter.

Would you describe for us the contour of the street at that point--whether it was level, hilly, or what.

Mr. Greer.

It was starting to go down--gradually going down toward this underpass. It was a down grade.

Mr. Specter.

Now, would you tell us just what occurred as you were proceeding down Elm Street at that time?

Mr. Greer.

Well, when we were going down Elm Street, I heard a noise that I thought was a backfire of one of the motorcycle policemen. And I didn't--it did not affect me like anything else. I just thought that it is what it was. We had had so many motorcycles around us. So I heard this noise. And I thought that is what it was. And then I heard it again. And I glanced over my shoulder. And I saw Governor Connally like he was starting to fall. Then I realized there was something wrong. I tramped on the accelerator, and at the same time Mr. Kellerman said to me, "Get out of here fast." And I cannot remember even the other shots or noises that was. I cannot quite remember any more. I did not see anything happen behind me any more, because I was occupied with getting away.

Mr. Specter.

Now, how many shots, or how many noises have you just described that you heard?