Mr. Kantor.

I had never heard of him before.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to go back a bit. About what time did you arrive in the jail basement on Sunday, the 24th?

Mr. Kantor.

The transferral, as we understood it, was supposed to be made at 10 o'clock. And I got up leisurely and was staying at the White Plaza Hotel across the street, and made no effort to be there promptly at 10 o'clock. The reason I did that is because Scripps-Howard wire to its newspaper operates at night, and a morning event in itself is not too awfully important.

Mr. Griffin.

How long were you there before the shooting took place?

Mr. Kantor.

I got there about approximately a quarter to 11. I was checked three times for identification upon getting down to the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

When you went down to the basement, did you remain the entire time in that position "K" that you have marked there?

Mr. Kantor.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you when you first went into the basement?

Mr. Kantor.

The regular bank of elevators, that is those going upstairs--

Mr. Griffin.

On the Harwood side?

Mr. Kantor.

Yes; are about here, are they not?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; the reporter, of course, can't tell, but just let's refer to them as the Harwood elevators.

Mr. Kantor.

Well, I walked into the building and went up to the third floor first, and then rode the elevator down to the basement--that is the regular elevator. When I stepped out of the elevator, I was stopped almost immediately by an officer, and he would not accept my credentials at all, even though I had a White House card and my old Dallas police card, Texas State Police card.
Some detective, I don't know who, came over and looked at my credentials and said that they were okay. And I went into the jail office, and took up a position along the west wall. There is a counter--there was a counter opposite me on which a camera was set up, as I recall, and there were a handful of other reporters in there. And Captain Jones at about 11:15 walked in briskly and said that we all would have to leave.

Mr. Griffin.

Then where did you go?

Mr. Kantor.

Fenley and I were together, and I told Fenley to delay leaving as long as possible because it appeared that they were ready to move Oswald, and maybe if we tarried long enough, we could still be in there. But it didn't work. And though we moved slowly--we moved down the line of people who were along here, and took up a position about here.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, why don't you mark a "1" there at your first position.

Mr. Kantor.

All right.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did you remain at position 1?

Mr. Kantor.

We just walked into that position and they pulled out a couple of police cars, one of which was directly behind where I was standing, and, therefore, causing me to move over here, where it was rather crowded, along the post.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did those police cars go that they moved out?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, as I recall--there may have been three, but I am not sure one went to the Commerce Street ramp side and one pulled in front of us facing Main Street.

Mr. Griffin.

Now; that car that was facing Main Street, did it stop, or did you see it go up the Main Street ramp, or what, or don't you remember?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, I don't remember how many cars were involved. There was a car which pulled out and stopped directly in front of us.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall a car driving up the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Kantor.

I don't now; no.

Mr. Griffin.

How long were you in the police building on Friday night?

Mr. Kantor.

Until approximately 2:30 in the morning.

Mr. Griffin.

And what time did you arrive that evening or afternoon?

Mr. Kantor.

I went directly from Love Field after the President's plane took off, and got there about 4 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

And did you remain there continuously, from 4 until 2:30?

Mr. Kantor.

Without a break.

Mr. Griffin.

And how much of that time was spent up on the third floor?