Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us what those stories are?

Mr. Kantor.

One was with an entertainer in his club, a lady who managed to charm snakes while she was stripping. She was also a housewife in the suburbs by day.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that story published?

Mr. Kantor.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you just go through these 6 stories, if you would, and tell us what they were, and if they were or were not published.

Mr. Kantor.

Well, each was published. I might have some difficulty remembering them at this point.
I remember a limbo dancer who he brought up from the Caribbean and said that he was helping in getting his citizenship. I did a story with the limbo dancer. We got a picture of him at the U.S. Naturalization Service office in Dallas passing under a low bar.
I did a lot of stories. I am really not sure off the top of my head. I wish I could have gotten out some old clips and prepared for this, if I had realized. But they were stories of that nature, anyway.

Mr. Griffin.

And your best estimate is that there would have been about half-a-dozen stories that you wrote?

Mr. Kantor.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did any of the stories that you wrote have to do with Jack Ruby himself?

Mr. Kantor.

No. I never wrote about him. I never went into either of his places.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever provide any publicity for Jack?

Mr. Kantor.

None, no.

Mr. Griffin.

You say you never went into any of his clubs. I take it by that you also did not know him on a .social basis.

Mr. Kantor.

Did not know him on a social basis, no.

Mr. Griffin.

When you would see him from time to time, about how long would it be that you would talk with him?

Mr. Kantor.

Well, to begin with, it would vary. There was a photographer on the paper, for instance, who was doing some outside work for Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall his name?

Mr. Kantor.

Yes. His name is Pete Fisher.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall the work that he was doing for him?

Mr. Kantor.

I don't know everything he was doing for him, but I believe he was making some stock publicity shots of the dancers in the club, the downtown club. And I well remember on one of the occasions that Jack was in the office about 7 or 8 o'clock one night to see Pete Fisher, and I was working late. I talked with Jack probably for more than an hour or so.
I don't know how many times I talked to him altogether, or how long each time period was. But they ranged, I guess, from a few minutes to about an hour.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion to meet him outside of your business?

Mr. Kantor.

No; I never did.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did Mr. Ruby every talk to you about himself, or about his background, or his clubs?

Mr. Kantor.

Yes. This one occasion I mentioned, when he was in the office late in the day, he had a young man with him who, I believe, he said was a nephew. At any rate, it was a relative. And he said that he was trying to help the boy and get him an education, and that he, himself, had not had too much of an education, and he felt that--he was sorry he wound up in the girlie show business. He wished thai he had a more substantial occupation.
And, at that time, I recall he told me about growing up in Chicago, and that things were pretty hard for him. and that he had pulled himself up by the bootstraps and still would prefer to be out of the business he was in.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Mr. Ruby have any characteristic speech pattern that you recall? Anything unusual about his speech or noticeable?

Mr. Kantor.

I guess he had a very slight lisp, perhaps--not very strong, I would say.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his choice of words? Was he a man who was given to talking in grandiose terms or using profanity?