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(Testimony of C. Ray Hall)
Mr. Hubert.
at that time---he did not tell you at that time that the girl had called him on the night before?
Mr. Hall.
That's true. He did not tell me at that time.
Mr. Hubert.
Referring again to Exhibit No. 2 and page 15 thereof, in the very last paragraph, I wonder if you could clarify for us just what he meant there? You say that this is what Ruby advised you--"He said that sometime after sending the telegram he entered the basement building where the police department is located, entering from the Main Street side. Ruby did not wish to say how he got into the basement or at what time he entered."
We were a bit confused about that and wanted to get some clarification, because we don't know if he admitted then that he did go down the ramp, but didn't want to say anything more about it, or left any question open as to how he got in there. I mean, there is the possibility that there was another Main Street entrance that he could get in. As I understand it, really, he didn't deny, from what you gather, he went in through the ramp that goes down to the basement, but that is as far as he would go?
Mr. Hall.
Yes; he would not give any details as to how he got in or what time how he went about getting into the ramp to the basement from the Main Street side, but he did admit entering the basement from the Main Street side, and that ramp is the only way to get into it.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, I would like to show you another document which purports to be a report of an interview of Jack Ruby by you, Mr. Hall, and Mr. Clements--Manning C. Clements on December 12, 1963. For the purpose of identifying that document, as I understood your testimony about it later, I have marked it on the first page as follows: "Dallas, Texas, May 28, 1964, Exhibit No. 3, deposition of C. Ray Hall," and I have signed my name below that and I have marked each of the other pages with my initials in the lower right-hand corner. That document is the report of an interview of December 21, 1963, and runs from page 2 to the top of page 17 of the Clements' report of January 8, 1964.
Now, I would like you to tell us the circumstances of that interview, how it was arranged, who was present when it started and when it ended and so forth.
Mr. Hall.
We had arranged for this interview with Mr. Melvin Belli, the attorney for Jack Ruby, who granted permission for this interview. The interview was held in an interview room located on floor 6-M of the Dallas County Jail in Dallas, Tex. Mr. Melvin Belli of San Francisco, Calif., Mr. Joe Tonahill of Jasper, Tex., Mr. Sam Brody of Los Angeles, Calif., and Mr. William Choulos, [spelling] C-h-o-u-l-o-s, of San Francisco, Calif, were present at the time Special Agent Manning C. Clements and I interviewed Jack Ruby.
Mr. Belli introduced Mr. Brody and Mr. Choulos as members of Mr. Belli's staff. This interview with Ruby commenced at 1:50 p.m. on December 21, 1963, and concluded at 5 o'clock p.m. on December 21, 1963.
Mr. Hubert.
Were the attorneys present all through that period, sir?
Mr. Hall.
Yes, sir; during the entire time.
Mr. Hubert.
Did they take part in the interview at all in any active way?
Mr. Hall.
No, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
Did they make any suggestions or make any objections?
Mr. Hall.
I recall that at the beginning of the interview with Jack Ruby I advised Mr. Ruby that he did not have to make any statements and that he was represented by his attorneys who were present at the time of the interview and that any statements he made during this interview could be used against him in a court of law. At that time Mr. Tonahill objected to that statement, that the statements could be used against him in a court of law, and advised me under the Texas law that Mr. Ruby was under arrest and that oral statements could not be used against him in the court of law and that he would not waive such rights, but he would consent to the interview and that Ruby would answer any questions, and Mr. Belli told Ruby to go ahead and. answer any questions, and assured Mr. Ruby that he was present and would look after his interests and would be awake during the entire time of the interview.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you conduct this in sort of a question and answer form, or did you more or less tell him to tell it in his own story?
Mr. Hall.
It was primarily in a question and answer form. However, in answering a question, sometimes Ruby would continue and answer the question
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