Mr. Hubert.

But I mean--where from?

Mrs. Carlin.

It was made from the Colony Club next door at the telephone there.

Mr. Hubert.

And you called him again a little while later?

Mrs. Carlin.

And he said, "I'll meet you down at the club" and he never did show up so I called back.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you wait between the two calls?

Mrs. Carlin.

About 30 or 40 minutes. He said it would take about 40 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you called the second time, you called him the second time?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes, and he said he wouldn't be able to make it, that he was
busy right then, and to get the man on the telephone at the carlot, which I did.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you ask him for?

Mrs. Carlin.

I asked him for enough money to get home, at least.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the call the next day?

Mrs. Carlin.

He told me to call back some time the next day and tell him how much I had to have, and which I did. I called back, but the only reason I called as early as I did--we saw on television what had happened. Well, I called first--we got up about--I don't remember--I think it was about 9 or 9:30 or something like that, and my husband told me I'd better call him, and so I called.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you he was going to send the money by Western Union ?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; he didn't say.

Mr. Hubert.

The first time you called on Sunday morning ?

Mrs. Carlin.

He told me he was going to send it by Western Union.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, on Saturday night he didn't tell you how he was going to send it?

Mrs. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

When you called him on Sunday, did he suggest Western Union or did you?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I didn't suggest anything, neither did he. He just said
"I'm going to send it. How shall I send it?"

Mr. Hubert.

He asked you?

Mrs. Carlin.

He said, "How shall I send it?" I said, "Send it in Karen Bennett, because that's the only identification I have."

Mr. Hubert.

But it was his idea to send it by Western Union ?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, can you be sure about that, or perhaps you suggested that he send it, isn't that right?

Mrs. Carlin.

I won't say for sure about anything. I'm not for sure about nothing any more. I could have said, "That will be the quickest way" or "How are you going to send it?" I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Was the method of sending the money discussed on Saturday night?

Mrs. Carlin.

I don't believe so--no. I just think he said, "Call me tomorrow and tell me how much you need."

Mr. Hubert.

Well, didn't it occur to you .that the money would have to be gotten to you some way on Sunday ?

Mrs. Carlin.

Well, I thought perhaps that I could tell him how much I would need and then Tammi was going to have to make another trip over there and she could pick it up for me.

Mr. Hubert.

You had those thoughts at that time?

Mrs. Carlin.

At that time, yes, but then when he said he would send it, that was all.

Mr. Hubert.

It was his idea, wasn't it?

Mrs. Carlin.

I don't remember, whether it was or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you made arrangements with Tammi to go get it?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; you see, he owed Tammi some money and she had quit and she was going to get the money. Well, that night she couldn't get the money,