Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him on either the 23d or the 24th at any time, of November ?

Mr. Standifer.

I saw his derby hat on the 24th on television. I was watching television when it occurred.

Mr. Hubert.

But I take it from that, you were not on duty on the 24th ?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you on duty on the 23d?

Mr. Standifer.

That Saturday; no, sir. I am off Saturday and Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he dressed when you saw him?

Mr. Standifer.

The only thing I could remember, and I am vague about that, I believe he had on a white shirt. He was sleeveless, I believe. I don't believe he even had on a coat. I am not sure. That is how little attention I paid to him.

Mr. Hubert.

But you have no doubt in your mind it was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you address him first, or he address you first?

Mr. Standifer.

I don't remember, I sure don't.

Mr. Hubert.

But you in any case used the words, "Hi, Jack" ?

Mr. Standifer.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him do anything else or say anything else? You

have already covered the conversation with the two officers ?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him passing out any cards to anyone?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you wonder why he was there?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir; it never entered my mind. I figured he was curious like most other people.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware of an identification system that was being used to preclude people from coming to the third floor other than authorized news media ?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir; I had no enforcement on that end of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I wasn't speaking so much of enforcement, but as to whether or not you knew that only police personnel and news media were supposed to be up there, if that is the case?

Mr. Standifer.

N0, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't know about it?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir; I know that the hall was so congested with news media and cameras and recording equipment that I had to send three detectives to the basement to work out our official police business from the jail office rather than the routine coming and going of prisoners and people who wished to come into our office to make a complaint. It was impossible for them to get through.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe any identification system being used by the elevators or other means Of entry to the third floor of checking?

Mr. Standifer.

All I know is I had occasion to make one or two trips down to the jail office or to the records bureau, and when I would come back off of the elevator, there would be a reserve officer, I believe, and a uniformed officer.
Of course when the door would open from the elevator, they would be standing there, and they would just give me a casual glance. I knew that they recognized me right off, but I was never challenged or anyone around me was never challenged.

Mr. Hubert.

BUt you knew that they were there for a purpose?

Mr. Standifer.

Now whether they were keeping unauthorized personnel out, I don't know. It was never mentioned to me.

Mr. Hubert.

Now this checking situation at the elevator that you just men-

tioned was on Friday, November the 22d ?

Mr. Standifer.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you go off duty that day?

Mr. Standifer.

They kept us over an hour. I went off at 12. We are originally due off at 11 p.m., but our captain asked everybody on duty that night to stay an extra hour to see if we could assist anyone. We stayed until 12.