Mr. Standifer.

Not too well, really. Only on a professional matter or business dealings. I never was in his place of business socially. I don't drink, I don't dance, and I don't have any business around his place.

Mr. Hubert.

About how many times during the past 13 years do you suppose you met Ruby ?

Mr. Standifer.

I recall twice in his place of business. Once in the Silver Spur on South Ervay, and once at the Vegas Club on Oaklawn, and maybe 3 or 4 times at the city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

The two times that you saw him at the club would have been some years ago?

Mr. Standifer.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you fix any point of time for the three or four times that you saw him at the city hall?

Mr. Standifer.

The only time that I remember was on the night that the President had been killed. I believe that was on a Friday, was it not?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, sir; the 22d. But you say you did see him at the city hall two or three times other than on that occasion?

Mr. Standifer.

Yes, but I have no idea on what dates. He comes down quite often, I understand, visiting officers, and I have seen him just to speak to him or wave at him.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you undertake an estimate of the time you saw him last prior to November 22?

Mr. Standifer.

I have no idea.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it be more than a year?

Mr. Standifer.

More than a year. I would say 3 or 4 years.

Mr. Hubert.

You state in the document identified as Exhibit No. I that

Ruby was well known among the police officers.

Mr. Standifer.

Yes, that is true.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you elaborate on that as to how you know that to be a fact?

Mr. Standifer.

By hearing the officers in my division talk, that they had talked to him, and on one occasion prior to the assassination of President Kennedy he was interested in installing a safe, and he had talked to one or two of the officers in our bureau who are familiar with the installation or placement of safes.
He called our office. I am the desk officer. I answered the phone most often. He talked to me asking if I could send a detective to him to show him what would be the best location to install this safe.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that telephone conversation ?

Mr. Standifer.

Oh, that was probably a month before the assassination. I am not real clear on that. I believe he asked for Detective Joe Cody by name, as Joe is familiar with safes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you tell Ruby ?

Mr. Standifer.

I told him him I would try to locate Joe, or would give
him a message that he wanted to talk to him about that safe.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you do so?

Mr. Standifer.

I wrote a note on an office memo and put in each detective's
box when something comes in like that, and I am sure I wrote a note.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember whether Cody contacted him ?

Mr. Standifer.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us what opinion, generally, the members of the police department had of Ruby?

Mr. Standifer.

Oh, I think maybe they was friendly toward him and they would visit him down to his place for a drink, I understand.
Maybe they would go down there and drink with him occasionally. I don't know. I have never been there With any of them, and I don't know that to be a fact. In all probability, that is what would take place.

Mr. Hubert.

Now I understand you did see him on the third floor of the Dallas

Police Department on the night of November 22, 1963?

Mr. Standifer.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Any question about your recognition of him ?

Mr. Standifer.

No, Sir.