Mr. Hubert.

How did you fix the time when you left that detail at 7:30?

Mr. Goodson.

It was just as I recall, it was around 7:30. No specific reason to say that it was exactly 7:30. I don't recall looking at the exact time. We had to check off what time we left.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you told to leave by anyone?

Mr. Goodson.

Yes, sir; I was relieved by another officer.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember his name ?

Mr. Goodson.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Then you were allowed to go home?

Mr. Goodson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you did so?

Mr. Goodson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now did you see Jack Ruby on the third floor of the Dallas City Jail during the period 5:30 to 7:30 when you were standing guard before the homicide bureau door?

Mr. Goodson.

No; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Now I think you have mentioned that you, about 6 p.m., saw a man that you thought resembled Jack Ruby?

Mr. Goodson.

Well, I didn't say he resembled Jack Ruby. I said that possibly someone would mistake him for Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

You said that that was about 6 o'clock?

Mr. Goodson.

Approximately. Just estimating from the time I had been there until the time this person came up.

Mr. Hubert.

Now this person that you referred to is the one I think you say that fitted the description of Jack Ruby ?

Mr. Goodson.

He resembled him some, as far as age and height and so forth.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he do when he came up?

Mr. Goodson.

Well, when he came up there, he was about two-thirds drunk, and he was kind of loud, and he came over to the door and was as though he was going to walk in, and I asked him who he was, and he began asking me what had happened and what was going on and what was being done so far as what had happened, and he Said that he wanted inside, and I asked him who he was, and he said he was with a newspaperman from the White House
press, and he never did show me any identification.

Mr. Hubert.

He did show you?

Mr. Goodson.

He did not. I told him that he would have to wait in the hallway with the other news people.

Mr. Hubert.

Now were you aware that they were checking the people on the third floor for identification as news people?

Mr. Goodson.

Well, I didn't know whether they were or not. They had some officers assigned there at the elevator and the stairway. I don't know what their Job was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you call attention to anyone that this man you have Just described had attempted to get into the office, and that he was in what you considered to be a drunken condition, or semidrunken condition?

Mr. Goodson.

No; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he just go away then?

Mr. Goodson.

Well, he stood around there for quite awhile talking to the other newsmen.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he passing out cards or anything of that sort?

Mr. Goodson.

Not that I saw.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he dressed, do you remember?

Mr. Goodson.

He had on a suit and dark-colored---

Mr. Hubert.

Hat?

Mr. Goodson.

No; he didn't have on a hat. Wore glasses. His hair was dark, but it had a lot of gray around the temples, around the edge of his hairline.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understand it, you are positive that that man was not Jack Ruby?

Mr. Goodson.

This person was not Jack Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

What was there about him that you thought made him fit the description of Jack Ruby?