Mr. Hubert.

Well, if it's pertinent we want it.

Mr. Waldo.

Well, Main is north of Commerce--right?

Mr. Hubert.

It would be the east.

Mr. Waldo.

Yes---but on the west side is the entrance to the building and the jail elevators and so on, and on the east side is a parking--a large submerged parking area, and it was 8 to 10 minutes after I had gotten downstairs when they began what appeared to be at first a quite confused movement--several detectives, plainclothes officers got into police cars parked down there and started to move them, with what appeared, and in fact I commented on this to a colleague, an unnecessary amount of jerking movement, lack of coordination so that one almost ran into the other and they were backing and filling and nobody could figure what they were doing with them, and meanwhile Butler. I believe it was, or someone was tolling us all to get back out of the way, and finally they manuevered these three cars into place one behind the other back of the armored vehicle.

Mr. Hubert.

How much time before the shooting did they back the armored car into the Commerce Street entrance?

Mr. Waldo.

Oh, that would have been--let's see---I arrived over there about 9:30--10 or shortly thereafter it was that the car was brought in.

Mr. Hubert.

And then you went in at Butler's suggestion or invitation about

25 minutes prior ,to the shooting?

Mr. Waldo.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

And then the cars were moved in behind the armored car about

10 minutes before the shooting?

Mr. Waldo.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see a car go out the Main Street entrance around that

Mr. Waldo.

No, sir; I did not. It could have ,happened and I didn't see it,
but I certainly didn't.
Come to think of it, I don't believe it could have happened without my seeing it, considering the physical setup over there, however, that's not important. Might I add that at the time that I entered the ramp area, the crowd of people standing along the south side of Commerce Street had grown to about 200. It was maybe 100 when I first arrived there, and this I took to be due to the fact that there appeared to be, from what I heard and cars passing stopped for traffic lights that had their radios on, broadcast announcements every few minutes that Oswald was going to be moved soon.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know if all those people had been moved over to the opposite side of Commerce Street by the police ?

Mr. Waldo.

I Cannot testify to that. They were all on the opposite side when I arrived there.

Mr. Hubert.

You arrived about 9:30, you say?

Mr. Waldo.

About 9:30; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And of course you went upstairs and so forth in the interval before you went down into the basement?

Mr. Waldo.

Yes; but I was not upstairs a matter of more than 10 to 15 minutes before I returned to the same.

Mr. Hubert.

And during the period between 9:30 and approximately 11 or shortly before 11, when you went down into the ramp and excepting the time when you were upstairs, which you say was very slight, you were in the area of the Commerce Street entrance?

Mr. Waldo.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Jack Ruby in that area at anytime?

Mr. Waldo.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice a large TV--the vans and equipment they used?

Mr. Waldo.

Oh, yes; they had been there permanently, I'd say.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby or anyone who looked like him hanging

around those vans around 10 o'clock or at anytime?

Mr. Waldo.

No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

I think that's all I have to ask, Mr. Waldo. Is there anything you want to add further, sir?

Mr. Waldo.

No; I would simply offer you this if it's of any interest.