Mr. Waldo.

two Dallas radio reporters and I cannot tell you who they were or what they represented. We were moving too fast at that time. Those were the only others. The three of us interviewed Officer McDonald in the hall immediately after he had delivered Oswald into the hands of the people in homicide. In fact, blood was still trickling down McDonald's chin from the cut lip where he said he had ,been struck by Oswald, and at that time he gave us a version of the capture of Oswald, which was substantially in all details but one as it has subsequently ,been repeated on numerous occasions, including the sworn testimony at Jack Ruby's murder trial.
The one difference was that .at the trial and in other accounts that I have heard, it has been stated that when the house lights in the Texas Theatre were turned up and the officers approached Oswald, that he jumped to his feet, crying, "This is it !" and reached for the gun in his belt. Officer McDonald, at the time of that interview in the hall, moments after he had delivered Oswald into custody, was that what Oswald said when he jumped up was, "It's all over !" That's the only difference.

Mr. Hubert.

I assume that shortly after that the press began to crowd up into the third floor ?

Mr. Waldo.

They did indeed, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Not merely the press, but other news media ?

Mr. Waldo.

And people who were not news media. Access to that third floor for a number of hours thereafter appeared to be enormously easy.

Mr. Hubert.

Can .you describe that--I know that you are describing it in that way--a negative way--but to put it this way, were there no guards on the ele-

vators or the other ,means of access to the third floor for a number of hours ?

Mr. Waldo.

That's correct, sir; there were not.

Mr. Hubert.

Subsequently there were?

Mr. Waldo.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did the guards do by way of maintaining security?

Mr. Waldo.

The elevators in the Dallas Police Department open into a fairly large square area--I gay "large" in comparison to the width of the corridor that runs out, and eventually two uniformed, I believed, motorcycle patrolmen were placed in that open space facing the elevators and at leaSt theoretically, and will explain that in a moment, required identification, meaning press credentials of some sort from 'anyone who attempted to get off that elevator and into the hall, unless it was naturally someone accompanied 'by an officer, as in the case of the wife and mother of Lee Oswald and so on.
I personally as late as 8 p.m. that night, and again this is approximate, but I would .say about 8 p.m. saw two men get off the elevator and walk right past the guards, neither of them haVing any badge on and not be challenged or stopped. believe but I'm not certain that it was one of these two men, who 5 to 10 minutes later, came up where I was Standing talking .to a European reporter from the "Agence France Press," and asked "What's the latest, what's going on?", which I might add is just not the way a newsman would ask a colleague. In fact, he wouldn't do that.

Mr. Hubert.

Your impression is that those two men were not newspapermen?

Mr. Waldo.

My impression is that they were not, and I am certain from my own visual evidence in any case, that they walked out of the elevator past the two guards without being challenged.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know where they went ?

Mr. Waldo.

It was impossible to tell. By that time there were 250, probably, people jammed into that corridor.

Mr. Hubert.

What were the circumstances under which the viewing of Oswald in the assembly room on Friday were held ?

Mr. Waldo.

Well, at what I would judge to be approximately 10 to 10:30 p.m., Captain Fritz and District Attorney Wade came out of the homicide office into the third floor corridor and Captain Fritz, whose voice never carries he speaks in .a hoarse whisper most of the time tried to say something, and there were immediate shouts of "We can't hear you, we can't hear you" from people only 15 feet away. So then Mr. Wade took over and I was close enough to hear him say that Oswald had ,been formally charged with the assassination of President Kennedy, but immediately there were cries from people two or three rows,