Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any other clubs then ?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Which ones?

Mr. Norton.

I was associated with the Red Garter Club.

Mr. Hubert.

Who else is associated with you in the operation of the Red Garter Club?

Mr. Norton.

Mr. Charley Kiser operates the Red Garter.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that [spelling] K-a-i-s-e-r?

Mr. Norton.

No; K-i-s-e-r is the way he spells it.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is that located?

Mr. Norton.

That's 3412 Kings Road.

Mr. Hubert.

That's in Dallas?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a similar operation?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It's a similar operation to the Pago Club?

Mr. Norton.

It's similar but a different motif.

Mr. Hubert.

And you have a financial interest in it?

Mr. Norton.

I own the fixtures.

Mr. Hubert.

He operates the club ?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm not interested in your portion or what you get out of it, but

you do have some financial benefit from it?

Mr. Norton.

Yes; I do have.

Mr. Hubert.

Any other clubs at that time?

Mr. Norton.

At that time the Keynote Club.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is it located ?

Mr. Norton.

It's on Cole 4527.

Mr. Hubert.

C-o-l-e?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And who manages that?

Mr. Norton.

Louis Byrum.

Mr. Hubert.

B-y-r-u-m?

Mr. Norton.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have any others?

Mr. Norton.

No; since then I am associated with a new one that's just been opened, and this was just 2 weeks ago.

Mr. Hubert.

This address at 4611 Cole which you say is your office, is that a residence?

Mr. Norton.

No; that's a building. That's an office building.

Mr. Hubert.

You have your own offices there rather than in your club, is that correct?

Mr. Norton.

Right; well, it's a joint office where all of us meet and have room to do our necessary bookwork.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you know Jack Ruby, of course, don't you ?

Mr. Norton.

Yes; I have known him,

Mr. Hubert.

How long have you known him ?

Mr. Norton.

Well, I've known him ever since I have been in the business.
My first location was on Lemmon and he had this Vegas Club down on Oaklawn.

Mr. Hubert.

They were close together?

Mr. Norton.

Well, it's about a mile, I guess, 2 miles at the most.

Mr. Hubert.

In a sense you were competitors, I suppose?

Mr. Norton.

Well, in a sense, although he ran a different type of business than I did. He had a dance place there on Oak Lawn and my place was--his
was open to the public and mine was closed to membership.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he a member of your club ?

Mr. Norton.

No; I had shown him the courtesy as an operator when he would drop in, such as we do, you know, to be a guest.

Mr. Hubert.

That's mutual, I suppose, it's reciprocal ?

Mr. Norton.

It's done yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I want to show you a report of an interview of you by FBI Agent Joe Abernathy, dated November 26, 1963, which I have marked