Mr. Hallmark.

thinking, just because of the fact that we have never touched upon that in any of our conversations.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a boy by the name of Larry Crafard who worked for Ruby for awhile?

Mr. Hallmark.

Now, when was that?

Mr. Hubert.

Just before the assassination of the President last year?

Mr. Hallmark.

No; I do not recall that name. I did not ever try to strike up an acquaintance with any of Ruby's employees.

Mr. Hubert.

Actually. your duties cause you to move around from one place to the other?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How many places did you have under your supervision?

Mr. Hallmark.

I'm in charge of about eight downtown garages, specifically.

Mr. Hubert.

You were then?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes. When Ruby first moved into the Carousel it was the Sovereign Club, and I was the manager at that one specific garage then and that was Nichols Garage, and I don't remember exactly at what point I was made general manager and moved out, as you have described.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have sort of a headquarters office?

Mr. Hallmark.

Yes; I headquartered--in other words, I usually parked my car there at 1320 Commerce, probably out of habit, but that was usually the first place in the morning and the last place in the evening. I generally called that headquarters at the time.

Mr. Hubert.

But you didn't know any of the people who worked there as entertainers?

Mr. Hallmark.

I knew them by sight only. I never tried to strike up a conversation with any of them or any acquaintance.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, is there anything else you would like to add, sir?

Mr. Hallmark.

I don't think so--I can't think of anything that I would want to add.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I don't believe there has been any conversation between us except that, which has been recorded, is that correct?

Mr. Hallmark.

I believe that's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your coming down.

Mr. Hallmark.

All right.

Mr. Hubert.

And I appreciate your taking the time to do so--thank you very much.

Mr. Hallmark.

All right, thank you, Mr. Hubert.

Alfred Douglas Hodge

Testimony of Alfred Douglas Hodge

The testimony of Alfred Douglas Lodge was taken at 2:55 p.m., on June 26, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Alfred Douglas Hodge.
Mr. Hodge, my name is Leon D. Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130 dated November 29, 1963, and the Joint resolution of Congress No. 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the Commission in conformance with the Executive order and the joint resolution, I have been authorized to take this sworn deposition from you. I state to you that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relative to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.