(Testimony of Kenneth Lawry Dowe)
Mr. Griffin.
You have known him since 1949?
Mr. Hansen.
No, I went to work in 1949. I have known him since--I am not going to say positive. I believe he bought that place about 1950 or 1951, to the best of my knowledge. I don't remember.
Mr. Griffin.
How many times a year would you have seen him since then?
Mr. Hansen.
Of--gosh, maybe it would be hard to say--maybe I would go 2 or 3 months and may not see him, and maybe I would see him 3 or 4 or 5 times a week coming down the street.
Mr. Griffin.
Were their times when you would spend as much as an hour with him?
Mr. Hansen.
I doubt if there would be that much time. I think about, as long as I have spent with Jack would be---I may have sat and had coffee with him 15 minutes.
I think one day he come over to the Florsheim Shoe Store. I had bought some shoes, I had some made, and they were a width and a haft sole, and I telling how good they felt on my feet. And Jack got to looking at them and said, "They look good. I am going to get a pair." And he went in and had, I believe, at that time--I don't know whether they had a manager named Reed there or the man was named Kelly, I forget which was there.
Anyway, Jack went in and they measured him for a pair. He liked the ones I had on. They were dress shoes, and I tried to break then in on the corner.
Mr. Griffin.
At the time you visited the Carousel socially, he would come and sit down?
Mr. Hansen.
No. I would say maybe I would go in and stay an hour or 2 hours, but he was always busy. Maybe he would come over to the table and say, "You want anything, Hansen?" And several times I went in there and I would have a setup or something, and he wouldn't let me pay, and tell the girl, "That is on the house." I don't mind telling you that, because I have been a lot of places and people do the same thing.
I never went with the intention--anywhere I go I can pay my own fare, but sometimes people do that. I went down to the restaurant the other night, carried my wife, and we had a nice dinner, and he told me "That was on the house." He wouldn't let me pay for it. But like I say, I go in there and eat, I guess I have been in there six or eight times, and I have always paid. That is the first time it ever happened.
Mr. Griffin.
When you went to the Carousel Club, would Jack come over and sit at the table?
Mr. Hansen.
No; he never fraternized with his customers outside of being polite and greeting you and that. I mean, as far as coming over and sitting with you and shooting the breeze, to my knowledge, he didn't do that.
Mr. Griffin.
Let me ask you, is there anything else in Exhibit No. 1 that you have been looking at that you feel should be corrected?
Mr. Hansen.
Well, there was something else I saw in here, and it was about this day thing that we was trying to discuss about what day it was, and I see here--
Mr. Griffin.
The last page?
Mr. Hansen.
I think it is the third page. I think it is on this one. Ruby was standing on the north side that is what I just told you---of the entrance directly to the side of the stairway which leads to the basement. He said there was four or five individuals. I think awhile ago I told you there were three. I know there were a few. I may be a little bit off. I am trying to get it just about as true as I can remember it--standing at this time. He is not certain whether or not they were police officers.
I believe they were police officers, or there was two of them. I know there was a uniformed man in civilian clothes, and I think they were detectives. I believe they were. He felt that the crowd was apparently gathered at that time in anticipation of the fact that President Kennedy would be driving through the downtown section.
I am not doubting that man's word. That is just what I told him. If that is what I told him, that would indicate to me that it was on that morning.
Mr. Griffin.
But did the crowd gather as early as 8:15 for the President's motorcade?
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