Mr. Hansen.

a personal dislike to somebody for saying something about a Jew, telling a Jewish joke, or something like that. I have heard several said in front of him, and I have told him several, and he never took offense to me.

Mr. Griffin.

I now direct your attention to the activities of November 22. Did you work in your official capacity as a police officer on November 22?

Mr. Hansen.

The day the President was assassinated; yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

What time did you report to work that day, if you recall?

Mr. Hansen.

I believe we came in early. I don't recall just how early we came in. I know we made detail early. Of course, everybody come in, and I was in there early. We went to change clothes, and I don't recall just exactly what time we made detail offhand, but we were there early. We were told to go right to our corners and what to do and watch out for the safety of the President.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall seeing Jack Ruby at any time on that day?

Mr. Hansen.

I am not positive. When I say I am not positive, I either saw Ruby the morning before the President came in from Love Field down Hatwood to Main---I either saw him the morning that--I was going to the city hall that morning before we went to the corner, or the morning previous to that, I just don't recall which. I have tried---in fact, I talked to an FBI man about it that interviewed me, and told him the same thing I am telling you. I don't remember whether it was the day before or the morning of the parade.
And Jack spoke to me. He was beside the city hall on Hatwood Street, and I started to go down the steps in the basement, and he hollered, "Hi, Hans" and I hollered, "Hi, Jack." It wasn't much of a conversation.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he on the same side of the street as the police department, or was he across the street?

Mr. Hansen.

No; he was on the same side.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as you come to the steps from Harwood Street, you can either walk down or up?

Mr. Hansen.

One of them goes up to what we call the wheel, and the other goes down in the department itself.

Mr. Griffin.

Both the up steps and the down steps are converged together at the sidewalk?

Mr. Hansen.

The down steps are narrow, about 10-foot wide, and the steps that go up are about 40 feet.

Mr. Griffin.

Along this sidewalk that stretches in front of the up and down steps, where was it that you saw Ruby? Where was he standing?

Mr. Hansen.

Well, I can draw you a little diagram.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me give you a sheet of paper and you just draw.

Mr. Hansen.

Maybe that would help. This is the city hall. This is a square building. This here is Main Street right here and this is Harwood Street runs right here.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you mark Harwood so that we know?

Mr. Hansen.

This is Harwood and this is Main right here. Now, right here in the middle of the block, this is these wide steps that go up right here. They go up this way.

Mr. Griffin.

You have marked on there I am going to sort of repeat this for the record so that the person reading can understand what is happening.

Mr. Hansen.

These are the steps right here.

Mr. Griffin.

You are indicating on the Main Street side?

Mr. Hansen.

No; on the Harwood Street.

Mr. Griffin.

But on the Main Street side of the Harwood entrance? In other words, towards Main Street there is a set of down steps that go down?

Mr. Hansen.

About 10-foot wide. They go down like this, and underneath the steps, and then you go in the doorway. You want to know where I saw Ruby?

Mr. Griffin.

That's right.

Mr. Hansen.

When I came across the street and turned to come down this way.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me state for the record, you are drawing on this map that you were on Main Street, and you walked across Harwood Street toward the police station.

Mr. Hansen.

I was walking east on Main Street across Harwood on the side-