Mr. Dowe.

assassination, so it must have been Saturday. If he was assassinated Friday, he didn't call me Friday, because he called me Saturday. I remember going over to Chuck Dunnaway's house Sunday morning, and he said, "Ken, you should have been here a minute ago, because Ruby just shot Lee Oswald." And I said, "Who is Jack Ruby?" And he said, "Some guy that owns a club downtown." And I said, "Jack Ruby; that is the guy who called me yesterday. You must be joking." I was amazed, and I remembered he had called me yesterday, because we answered the telephone constantly. I get many calls, and I wouldn't have remembered if it had been any longer than a day or two. would have remembered, but at that time it just hit me, and I said, "That is the guy I talked to yesterday afternoon."

Mr. Griffin.

You remembered on Sunday when you first heard that Ruby had shot Oswald, that it was the day before that you had talked to him.

Mr. Dowe.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When you answered the telephone on these couple of occasions, did you at anytime give your name to Ruby?

Mr. Dowe.

Probably; yes. I don't remember doing it. I am sure I must have.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't recall Ruby calling you by name?

Mr. Dowe.

No; he did not call me by name. He asked me, now I remember, when I first answered the phone, he said, "Who is this?" And I said, "This is Ken Dowe." And he said, "Is there a newsman or somebody? This is Jack Ruby." And he talked like he knew me.

Mr. Griffin.

In the conversation did he use your name, or don't you have any recollection?

Mr. Dowe.

I don't have any recollection. I don't recall him using my name.

Mr. Griffin.

How much time do you think separated the first telephone call and the last telephone call?

Mr. Dowe.

I couldn't honestly pinpoint it, by any definite number of minutes, but more than a few minutes. Likely less than 15 or 20.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what you did Saturday night, the night before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Dowe.

No; I don't remember what I did last Saturday night.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you remain at home and watch television, or listen to the radio?

Mr. Dowe.

Let me see. Sometimes I did. I have forgotten. I think I gave testimony to somebody what I did. I recall there was some peculiar circumstance that---no; they asked me what I was doing Sunday morning, and I finally remembered that I had gone to Chuck's house because of the Jack Ruby thing and all, and had gone to eat some chili with them. But Saturday night, I don't remember. Probably I was at home.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you make any notes of your experiences on the 22d and 23d and 24th?

Mr. Dowe.

None whatsoever.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever make a tape recording of what your experiences were?

Mr. Dowe.

No tape recordings; no notes. The station has a 24-hour tape recording going on of the proceedings that were on the air.

Mr. Griffin.

We have them. We have copies of those tapes. Actually, we have the original tapes.

Mr. Dowe.

I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall when it was that you first talked with the police or Federal investigator about your experiences on Saturday?

Mr. Dowe.

Yes. The first time I ever talked, I volunteered the information myself, because they called the diskjockey hot line at that time and asked what number this was, and I said, "This is Riverside 7-9316." That was our hot line number at the time. I guess it was then. But regardless, anyway, they called the hot line, because he wouldn't have answered it if they hadn't. he said, "This is the FBI." I don't recall the name. And he said, "We found this telephone number in Jack Ruby's possession, and we would like to know if you know anything about it, or know why he would have this telephone number." And I said, "No; I don't." And he said, "Do you know anybody down there that he knows?" And I said, "Yes; I know he knows Chuck Dunnaway."