Mr. Dowe.

have been the second day, because I was being shown around the radio stations, and I met him that day. That was when I came to KLIF.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody with you?

Mr. Dowe.

Yes; Chuck Dunnaway introduced him to me.

Mr. Griffin.

About how long were you in Ruby's presence?

Mr. Dowe.

No more than 3 to 5 minutes--3 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any occasion to hear about Ruby between that time when you first met him and the time that you came in contact with him after the President was shot?

Mr. Dowe.

Yes; I did. I heard that he came around the station frequently and that he was always inviting the diskjockeys up to his club, and that if I were to go up there, he would probably give me all the free drinks I wanted and be very nice to me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he ever give you a membership card or pass to the Carousel Club?

Mr. Dowe.

No; not a pass. I don't recall him ever giving me anything. No; not a pass.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there any other reason that would give you occasion to remember your first meeting with Jack Ruby?

Mr. Dowe.

None other than the fact that it was one of the first few days I was there; It was on that occasion that I met him. And also I was told that he was known around the station for procuring women for different people who came to town; record promoters. And this was a fact, and I was a little amazed at this, but nonetheless, that is what I know about him.

Mr. Griffin.

When were you told this?

Mr. Dowe.

At the same time.

Mr. Griffin.

On the occasion tint you first met him?

Mr. Dowe.

That is the first occasion, right.

Mr. Griffin.

When you say procuring women--

Mr. Dowe.

I mean that he would get you a date with one of his girls in the club, or a gift that he knew or something, and I was told by Chuck Dunaway that this was a fact, and that it was his understanding that several record promotion men came to town--record promotion men are people who work for recording stations, and it is their job to see that a record is promoted, and see if they can get air place at the radio stations, and these people frequently come to town, and they have very large expense accounts, and this was the reason I was told that he furnished girls sometimes for these people and for other people, different people.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything said to you which would have led you to believe that Ruby was getting any money off of this?

Mr. Dowe.

No; not at all. I hardly remember meeting the man. I only remember about what he looked like, and that his name was Jack Ruby, and that he owned a club downtown. I was pretty much preoccupied in other things at that time, and I just didn't even--it almost passed me by.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember where you were at the time you first learned that President Kennedy had been shot?

Mr. Dowe.

Yes; I was driving down Central Expressway, and I was listening to the radio station. I was about 2 blocks from KLIF, and we had a bulletin on the air that said there was a possibility he may have been shot, and they didn't know and were checking further reports.

Mr. Griffin.

About what time was that?

Mr. Dowe.

Shortly after 1 o'clock, as I remember it now. I don't know exactly what time.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you proceed to after you heard that?

Mr. Dowe.

I went straight to the radio station.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you work that day?

Mr. Dowe.

I was there all day from that time until when I got off the air about 7 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you do after you got off the air?

Mr. Dowe.

I guess I went home. I usually do. I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you in the Dallas Morning News downtown?

Mr. Dowe.

No; I assisted the KLIF News reporter on that day, because of