Mr. Griffin.

Who else called you?

Mrs. Powell.

I don't know. I know those two called.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Little Lynn call you?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes; but Betty called me as soon as it happened, before they knew who did it, and she told me to turn it on channel something real quick, and the TV was on already, but I had just gotten up, and I ran in there, and then they kept saying Jack Lucy, and I thought well, that is not him. It was on TV. They said Jack Ruby did it. Then they said Jack Ruby, and I called Ralph and told him.

Mr. Griffin.

What did Ralph say?

Mrs. Powell.

He said, "No; he didn't." And I said, "Yes; he did." "No; he didn't do that," he said. "He is at home." And I said, "No; he is not. He did it." So he said he would call the apartment, "And call you right back." So, he called the apartment, and there was no answer, and he had a radio down there, and somebody came in or something on the radio and told him that it happened.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you know Ralph called Jack's apartment?

Mrs. Powell.

He told me. That is what he said he was going to do, Call the apartment. He said he was home and was going to call to see if he was at home.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you do?

Mrs. Powell.

I was there at the house and he said he would call me back. I don't know whether I called him or he called me, but anyway, we spoke on the phone again, and he knew that it was Jack that had done it.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he tell you?

Mrs. Powell.

He couldn't believe that he would do it. So he said he was going to come over fight away to see about helping Jack, and wanted me to go with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Didn't he mention that he talked with Jack the night before?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he tell you about that?

Mrs. Powell.

He just said he spoke to Jack, and that Jack was very upset, and I think he wanted to go someplace.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he want to go?

Mrs. Powell.

I don't know. I think he wanted Ralph to go someplace with him or something special and Ralph didn't feel like going or doing anything that night. He just didn't feel like doing anything, and I think he talked to Jack two or three times that night and he kept calling him at home, and he woke him up a couple of times. I know Ralph felt bad about it because he felt if he had come over and gone out with Jack, maybe he wouldn't have gotten into a state of depression.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, didn't Ralph mention to you that Jack told him he had a gun and Jack was thinking about shooting Oswald Saturday night?

Mrs. Powell.

No; he didn't tell me that.

Mr. Griffin.

Don't you remember him saying that over at the Bull Pen Drive-in when you went over there?

Mrs. Powell.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you remember him saying over there?

Mrs. Powell.

I don't remember him saying anything except that Ralph didn't have any idea that Jack was even contemplating such a thing. He didn't. I mean, I know.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you know that?

Mrs. Powell.

Because I know Ralph, and I know Jack, and I know that Ralph didn't have any idea, because he and Jack were very good friends, and if Ralph had had any idea at all whatsoever that Jack was planning to do something like that, he would have stopped him, or tried to stop him.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, don't you think if Jack did have that sort of idea, that he would have told Ralph about it?

Mrs. Powell.

Well, no; not especially, because Jack is the type of person that is not too sure what he is going to do himself, because he is not too sure that he would tell somebody that he is going to do something at such and such a time, because he is not sure himself.