Mrs. Powell.

him any more. The band was there and I was there. We had closed up already.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack send anybody out to get a gun?

Mrs. Powell.

No. It wasn't Jack that made that statement. It was Earl Norman.

Mr. Griffin.

It was Earl Norman who said he was going to get a gun and shoot?

Mrs. Powell.

Earl said if he ever hit him, he would go home and get a gun, and Jack hit him.

Mr. Griffin.

Jack did hit him?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes; I don't blame him much. He provoked him, really.

Mr. Griffin.

What did Earl do? Did he leave?

Mrs. Powell.

No; he kept on, and they got Jack calmed down, and Earl kept on, because when he drinks, he doesn't have good sense, Earl.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember when Earl Norman came back to the club about a week before President Kennedy was shot and Jack wouldn't let him in? Do you remember that incident?

Mrs. Powell.

Oh, well, he had come up a lot of times and Jack wouldn't let him in. He has been barred from there a hundred times. He would have an argument, and Jack would bar him. One time they ran him off.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to follow it from the time of this episode with Jada.

Mrs. Powell.

He came back after that. Jack never stayed mad at anyone for a long length of time. He would throw him out and tell him, "Don't come back," but Earl would call, "Is it OK if I come up," or he would come to the door and ask if it is all right, and I don't remember Jack not letting him in. But a lot of times it was depending on how drunk he was.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you observe any kindnesses or anything that Jack showed?

Mrs. Powell.

He was very kind to a lot of people.

Mr. Griffin.

Any specific instances of kind acts?

Mrs. Powell.

He was always picking people up off the street or something, that didn't have a place to stay or any money or a job or anything. He just had all kinds. Well, he had this one guy who used to sleep in the club. We had three or four guys sleeping in the club every night because they didn't have a place to stay. And he would give him $2 or $3 a day, and they.were sort of flunkies.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember the last fellow, Larry Crafard?

Mrs. Powell.

Isn't he kind of a carnival guy?

Mr. Griffin.

That is the fellow.

Mrs. Powell.

Yes; I remember him.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember anything about Jack's twistboard?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes. I demonstrated his twistboard here in the building with the exhibits.

Mr. Griffin.

Texas Product Show?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How many times did you go out to demonstrate?

Mrs. Powell.

Just once.

Mr. Griffin.

How long were you there?

Mrs. Powell.

Oh, about 30 minutes to an hour. Jack called me, and I went there before work one night, and then I went home with him and he cooked lamb chops.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do, get up on the board?

Mrs. Powell.

There was another boy, he had picked up by the name of Tommy.

Mr. Griffin.

He had another fellow?

Mrs. Powell.

At this time that I was demonstrating the twistboard, there was this boy living with him. His name was Tommy something, and he was staying with him the last time I was there.

Mr. Griffin.

Living in Jack's apartment?

Mrs. Powell.

Yes. Because they came out there, and we went to the apartment, and Jack cooked dinner for us all.

Mr. Griffin.

How old a fellow was Tommy?

Mrs. Powell.

About 25, I guess.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he look like?