Mrs. Tice.

No; I only saw--I could only see the side of this other man's face that walked up to him. Jack was standing right here, see, this man that is called Jack. He was standing here like this, and I am standing here.

Mr. Griffin.

We will have to indicate.

Mrs. Tice.

He turned around when this man walked up here and hit him on the shoulder and said, "How are you doing, Jack?"

Mr. Griffin.

Jack Ruby was ahead of you and initially had his back to you, is that right?

Mrs. Tice.

No; he wasn't up ahead of me. He was more or less to the side.

Mr. Griffin.

As you looked over, when did you first notice him, when the man said hello to Jack?

Mrs. Tice.

When I first noticed him was when this man walked up to him, because I thought this was a detective or something, because he had a suitcase.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he standing in a crowd of people?

Mrs. Tice.

Well, there was a, like I said, this lady that I turned around and asked this, and people were coming and going.

Mr. Griffin.

How far were you from the main entrance of Parkland Hospital? Which entrance of the hospital were you near?

Mrs. Tice.

Down where you come off of Harry Hines. You come off here, and then there is a paved parking thing.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you draw a picture for us. Why don't you take this yellow sheet of paper and why don't you draw Harry Hines Boulevard?

Mrs. Tice.

OK; this is Harry Hines Boulevard, and right in here, this is where the gate thing goes along. You pay to go in here and park. I guess it's got gate.

Mr. Griffin.

Mrs. Tice, we are trying, the reporter is trying to take your words down and they don't mean very much if you just talk about this and that. I suggest that you draw on this sheet of paper, draw the hospital and draw Harry Hines Boulevard, and then draw some more lines to indicate where you were standing. Can you do that?

Mrs. Tice.

I don't know too much how the hospital looks over there. As I came down this way, that is what I am trying to tell you--this is Harry Hines.

Mr. Griffin.

You have drawn a line that you call Harry Hines Boulevard.

Mrs. Tice.

OK; then you go in here, and there is a pay-parking thing.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is the hospital?

Mrs. Tice.

The hospital is right here. Right down here is the emergency entrance.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is the main entrance, do you know that?

Mrs. Tice.

I guess that was the main entrance up there.

Mr. Griffin.

OK.

Mrs. Tice.

But this is way I came.

Mr. Griffin.

There is a road that comes off Harry Hines Boulevard? What direction is that from the hospital?

Mrs. Tice.

There is a little hill that goes down here, and just before you go through this emergency place, I guess that is an emergency place, there is a lawn here, and this is where this bar is for the grass. But there is another parking lot behind this pay thing, I guess. I thought it was a pay thing, something left out of here, and I pulled in this other one and parked in the second or third space.

Mr. Griffin.

You were in a parking lot that was between the emergency entrance to the hospital and Harry Hines Boulevard, is that right? You pulled into a parking lot that was between Harry Hines Boulevard and the emergency entrance of the hospital, is that right?

Mrs. Tice.

I don't know how many places there is to park there, but this first place was the one I got in, and I didn't pay to get in here.

Mr. Griffin.

You went into a free parking space?

Mrs. Tice.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And you parked your car?

Mrs. Tice.

I parked my car.

Mr. Griffin.

Then where did you walk to?

Mrs. Tice.

Then I came back out here and I walked down here.