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(Testimony of Wilma May Tice)
Mrs. Tice.
Well, I guess I was slightly in shock. I am not sure. I mean, well, I was pretty frightened. I mean I wouldn't let the officer take me to the doctor. I wanted to wait until my husband got home to take me to the doctor, because my husband can be there in 5 minutes.
Mr. Griffin.
Were you hospitalized?
Mrs. Tice.
No; I was not.
Mr. Griffin.
What do you think about the outcome of the Ruby trial?
Mrs. Tice.
I don't know what to think about it. I really don't know what to think about it. I mean, as far as the trial is concerned, I don't understand it at all. I mean, there is just a lot of it I don't understand.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you have any feeling about whether Jack was treated fairly or not?
Mrs. Tice.
That part I couldn't say. I don't know whether he was treated fairly or not. I just wouldn't even know if he was treated fairly, because I wasn't up there. I mean, I can't say. I felt like, I guess what you really want to know is how in the beginning I talked with Eva?
Mr. Griffin.
Yes; that's right.
Mrs. Tice.
Well, I called Eva. It was no more than a sympathy call. And when I called her I didn't get her on the phone. I got Eileen on the phone. And I felt sorry for them because they had been so deserted for something that their brother had done. They had been rejected by everybody, and I felt sorry for them. I mean just like I try to teach my children, right is right and wrong is wrong, and I try to abide by the same thing.
Mr. Griffin.
You called for the purpose of cheering her up, was that it, in some way?
Mrs. Tice.
Yes. I called her after the verdict. It was after the verdict that I called her to give her my sympathy. That is why. And then I talked with Eileen. And instead, she said Eva was rather upset. Then in talking with Eileen, I think she called or I don't know, I talked again--I don't know if Eva called me, or Eileen called me, but something was mentioned about their brother being out at the hospital, and at the time I said to her it was really a shock to me to see--mean I was in the kitchen when I heard the news, and the children said when they were transferring him, Ruby did this. And she said they were so shocked and all tore up, and I said yes, it was quite a shock to me because seeing him just 2 days later out at the hospital wanting to give Governor Connally a kidney, that he could go down and try to save one life, and go take another life, it just didn't make sense. And she said, "Oh, he is sick, he is just sick." And said, "He has been acting just peculiar ever since this thing happened." And she told me then that another time, well, Eileen asked if she could come and talk to me, if she could come out to the house. So she and Eva came out, and two newspaper reporters came along with me. Art Sinclair and this other one, I don't know what his name was. Anyway, they were talking to me about Ruby being out to the hospital, and that is just about all I know.
Mr. Griffin.
Mrs. Tice, did you know that Jack himself has denied very vehemently he was out at the hospital?
Mrs. Tice.
Yes; I know he denied that, and I hated to say that I saw him out there, and I told Eva. And Eva told me, "Well, I asked Jack and Jack said no, he wasn't out there." And I said, "Well, anybody can make a mistake. Anybody could have made a mistake." She said, "Yes, because there are many Jacks. A man called Jack,"--and if it wasn't him it was his twin brother.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you think you could have been mistaken about the man you saw?
Mrs. Tice.
It could have been somebody else that looked just like Jack, named Jack; yes.
Mr. Griffin.
If you had been really sure of it that you saw him out there, wouldn't you have reported it to the FBI or the police in late November or early December?
Mrs. Tice.
Now this is where my husband's part comes in. He doesn't like for me to go out of that house unless he is with me. He goes down to the farm every weekend, and I was at home alone. My children were in school and
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