Mr. Robertson.

car and returned to the station to leave the photographer, and then I went on down to the police station.

Mr. Griffin.

How much later was it that you arrived at the police station after Oswald was apprehended?

Mr. Robertson.

Judging by normal driving time, half an hour or 45 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do at the police station?

Mr. Robertson.

Stood in the hall and asked questions of those people I knew, and listened to what was going on.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have dinner that night?

Mr. Robertson.

Yes; one of the fellows in the auto theft bureau bought some hamburgers and brought them up there.

Mr. Griffin.

You never left the building?

Mr. Robertson.

No; depending on what you mean here. I was not in that hall all the time. There were times that I was in the new section of the municipal building adjacent, in the city manager's office, because the police department was reporting to him.

Mr. Griffin.

You are referring to Elgin Crull?

Mr. Robertson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you present at the time when they were reporting to him?

Mr. Robertson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us about what kind of action they were reporting and what sort of control he was exercising over them?

Mr. Robertson.

I had the impression that their reports were advisory. They were keeping him posted as to how the investigation was progressing. There was one officer and I am not certain which one, who talked rather loud, and Mr. Crull had to hold the phone some distance from his ear in order to be comfortable. And it was as a result of that that I learned that they were definitely going to file both charges against Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember when it was that you learned that, approximately?

Mr. Robertson.

Approximately 3:15 in the afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

But the charges were not charged against Oswald until much later that night, isn't that right?

Mr. Robertson.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you place it at approximately 3:15 in the afternoon that the decision to file had been made?

Mr. Robertson.

I don't know how I placed it. This I can't correlate in regard to anything else. If I could-- now I assume I must have looked at a clock about that minute, because there has never been any question as to what the time was.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you making notes as you were at the city hall in following out your assignment?

Mr. Robertson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you reporting back to anybody who was making any record of what you were observing?

Mr. Robertson.

I was reporting back to Mr. Waiter Evans of our station, who at that time was the radio news director, keeping him advised of the information that I gathered, some of which we published and some of which we did not.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated when you talked to the FBI that you saw Jack Ruby sometime on November 22.

Mr. Robertson.

That's correct.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you place the time at which you saw him?

Mr. Robertson.

Well, it was after 3:15. I can't place the time accurately. I have tried to do so in my own mind. I am reasonably certain before I had this opportunity to eat, which my best estimate is after 7 o'clock, and before 8 o'clock. As I say, it was definitely after 3:15 after I had learned about the other. Between this time, I am at a loss.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you place it in terms of the press conference that Henry Wade held on Friday night?

Mr. Robertson.

It was before that.

Mr. Griffin.

How much before that?

Mr. Robertson.

Well, I got the impression it was a considerable time before that, although time seemed very long in that afternoon and evening.